What is the biggest mistake of NGOs
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Back in about 2004 I got to know the head of a large, faith-based, INGO here in PP fairly well (work related reasons) and he was on $20k per month, plus a villa, plus ISPP schooling for his 3 kids, plus medical for the whole family, plus 2 flights per year back home for the while family for holidays, plus the obligatory Land Crusier and driver.
Must be some serious money coming into the country to convert the little brown people to American Style Christianity ...
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Religions do require people with money to "do good" towards poor people.
So, present a plan, have a large budget, a flashy presentation, some press covering (paid or not), some lord (of whatever religion) praising statements and there your money flow starts pouring in, just to release the people from their bad conscience.
To sustain that flow, take care to present yearly official financial reports and nobody is going to question the effects of your operations. It's not that difficult, though does require to put your own conscience to rest (or just have a blind eye). Some people are very good at that.
So, present a plan, have a large budget, a flashy presentation, some press covering (paid or not), some lord (of whatever religion) praising statements and there your money flow starts pouring in, just to release the people from their bad conscience.
To sustain that flow, take care to present yearly official financial reports and nobody is going to question the effects of your operations. It's not that difficult, though does require to put your own conscience to rest (or just have a blind eye). Some people are very good at that.
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I remember a guy here in 2006 who worked for an American "faith-based charity". They gave him and his family a house in Stung Meanchey which let's say wasn't any nicer back then. He got a crappy salary of $200 or something but his 2 kid's fees at the other top school were paid. The people I know who work for NGOs aren't on huge salaries. Quite a few could command much higher salaries in the private sector but find the work more rewarding. I agree with Pedro's earlier assertion regarding territory, but meanwhile some organizations have taken up a bit of that slack and given chances to vast numbers of people who were in dire straits.Playboy wrote:Back in about 2004 I got to know the head of a large, faith-based, INGO here in PP fairly well (work related reasons) and he was on $20k per month, plus a villa, plus ISPP schooling for his 3 kids, plus medical for the whole family, plus 2 flights per year back home for the while family for holidays, plus the obligatory Land Crusier and driver.
Must be some serious money coming into the country to convert the little brown people to American Style Christianity ...
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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Playboy wrote:Back in about 2004 I got to know the head of a large, faith-based, INGO here in PP fairly well (work related reasons) and he was on $20k per month, plus a villa, plus ISPP schooling for his 3 kids, plus medical for the whole family, plus 2 flights per year back home for the while family for holidays, plus the obligatory Land Crusier and driver.
Must be some serious money coming into the country to convert the little brown people to American Style Christianity ...
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Exactly. When a large percentage of the budget is spent on running costs, which in turn means allowing a very few people to have an unbelievably good standard of living and not spending the budget on those the NGO is supposed to be assisting, that's when it seems more than unfair.
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To be fair, he is the only one that I have met in 16 year here on that kind of package.
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ngo's bring some good things especially medical to a country but they also bring much poison, hidden inside "education".the chicken wrote:Some of the donors meant well.
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Listening!
Not leaving when their tasks are completed. Desperate to remain, they begin financing and conducting operations that have little to do with the reasons why they originally came. NGOs are not meant to be permanent entities in a country.
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Developed countries have loads of NGOs doing great work.RBD wrote:Not leaving when their tasks are completed. Desperate to remain, they begin financing and conducting operations that have little to do with the reasons why they originally came. NGOs are not meant to be permanent entities in a country.
In the U.K. there has been a proliferation of food banks in recent years. Should they be shut down?
What about the Cancer Research and Hospice care NGOs?
What about NSPCC, the Samaritans, Save the Children?
If they are not doing anything connected to what they say they should be doing, yes. However either you didn't read or you didn't understand my post. Presumably Cancer Research is still researching cancer - or has it now morphed into financing haggis cooperatives in Northern Scotland? It's when NGOs come here specifically to do task X and end up doing wholly unrelated tasks Y and Z that you know they have outlived their usefulness, and are simply searching for reasons to remain. Have at look at the reasons and objectives some of the long-standing NGOs gave for coming here, and at what they are currently doing. Zero correlation - and yet when you look at their promotional and fund-raising literature they are still advocating their original objectives. Hard to believe, but Cambodia is not the only country in the world with problems (most of them self-induced......) - however it's a lot nicer to live in than those other places.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Developed countries have loads of NGOs doing great work.RBD wrote:Not leaving when their tasks are completed. Desperate to remain, they begin financing and conducting operations that have little to do with the reasons why they originally came. NGOs are not meant to be permanent entities in a country.
In the U.K. there has been a proliferation of food banks in recent years. Should they be shut down?
What about the Cancer Research and Hospice care NGOs?
What about NSPCC, the Samaritans, Save the Children?
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This is also my thought as well. Bigsmellyfart seems like a cool dude. My thought at the moment of writing my original post was about Cambodia.
China sorted NGO's after finding quite a few very smelly ones.
Now they have to register.
1. Who are you?
2, What are you trying to achieve?
3. Where does your funding come from?
4. Why do you think we can't do what you want to do?
5. Ah fuck off you pointless peasants.
6. There is no God.
Now they have to register.
1. Who are you?
2, What are you trying to achieve?
3. Where does your funding come from?
4. Why do you think we can't do what you want to do?
5. Ah fuck off you pointless peasants.
6. There is no God.
Dr Beat is the most successful manager of an NGO. I remember my missus and her sister getting up at 2 in the morning once to take the kids for the free vaccinations. Until I saw the queues of women with kids every day I had no idea.Over 90% of kids are now vaccinated, a better result than in Australia.
My kids are now just about finished their Australian vaccination programme, they have had a lot of needles. However they both have had measles in Cambodia which makes one wonder about the efficacy of the Cambodian vaccinations.
But Beat is a strange character, I got in touch with hos office about ten years ago asking if he was interested in having my sister come up and play in his chamber music group. She is a flautist and cellist and a well regarded professional musician in Australia.
His assistant told me in no uncertain terms that he was not interested in anyone meddling with his plans.
My kids are now just about finished their Australian vaccination programme, they have had a lot of needles. However they both have had measles in Cambodia which makes one wonder about the efficacy of the Cambodian vaccinations.
But Beat is a strange character, I got in touch with hos office about ten years ago asking if he was interested in having my sister come up and play in his chamber music group. She is a flautist and cellist and a well regarded professional musician in Australia.
His assistant told me in no uncertain terms that he was not interested in anyone meddling with his plans.
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I read your post and understood it - it wasn’t beyond my level of comprehension. I was replying to this simple statement within your post.RBD wrote:If they are not doing anything connected to what they say they should be doing, yes. However either you didn't read or you didn't understand my post. Presumably Cancer Research is still researching cancer - or has it now morphed into financing haggis cooperatives in Northern Scotland? It's when NGOs come here specifically to do task X and end up doing wholly unrelated tasks Y and Z that you know they have outlived their usefulness, and are simply searching for reasons to remain. Have at look at the reasons and objectives some of the long-standing NGOs gave for coming here, and at what they are currently doing. Zero correlation - and yet when you look at their promotional and fund-raising literature they are still advocating their original objectives. Hard to believe, but Cambodia is not the only country in the world with problems (most of them self-induced......) - however it's a lot nicer to live in than those other places.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Developed countries have loads of NGOs doing great work.RBD wrote:Not leaving when their tasks are completed. Desperate to remain, they begin financing and conducting operations that have little to do with the reasons why they originally came. NGOs are not meant to be permanent entities in a country.
In the U.K. there has been a proliferation of food banks in recent years. Should they be shut down?
What about the Cancer Research and Hospice care NGOs?
What about NSPCC, the Samaritans, Save the Children?
Which I presume you don’t actually mean given your subsequent post.NGOs are not meant to be permanent entities in a country.
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This was supposed to be a confidential document, but fuck them crooks. None of the listed bullet point objectives were achieved and they did a very good job of squandering it within 2 years of the 4 years plan that supposed to help out only 2 provinces in Cambodia. They fired my ass within 6 months because I did not want to get along with the bad boys program. LOL
With a total investment of € 63.640.576 budgeted costs, activities in these areas lead to the following four clusters
of results:
a) People have earning capacity and maximise economic and employment opportunities within their communities
b) Children, young people and their families have access to and make use of quality basic services and provisions
c) Children, families and communities have the capacity and support to protect children against child rights violations
d) Community groups and local partner organisations have capacity to act as effective change agents
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