Cambodia health care
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Scary. Doesn't matter what it costs, it's the same level of care. Over here you'd better stay healthy and stay off the streets.
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There's a new mandatory health insurance for employees that costs the company $10 per employee per month. It isn't terribly impressive, it pays for the equivalent of Calmette (the biggest public hospital) care. It only pays for accidents/illness incurred during work or while commuting.casper129q wrote:How is the healthcare service over there and how much do you pay?
Public hospitals/ clinics here are supposed to be free for Cambodians, but in practice that's not the case. They are notoriously understaffed and lacking in supplies. I've been in (visiting) about 10 hospitals in Phnom Penh and Calmette is far from being the worst.
There are some decent private hospitals here now, but expect to pay a whole lot more for that better service. A bed in an ICU is around $1500 a day in Royal Hospital for example, and that's without any extras. There are ones like Central Hospital that seem to do a very good service and charge reasonable prices.
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If health care is important to you, pass on Cambodia.
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Over here in the region it's great. Bangkok has some of the top facilities in the world, for reasonable prices. Malaysia isn't bad either, and Singapore of course is great.casper129q wrote:How is the healthcare service over there and how much do you pay?
Cambodia? Well, see the responses above.
For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories. The main problem is that, yes, decent care can exist here, but when shit hits the fan is there a competent person around?
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That’s a complete over exaggeration. Migs you aren’t usually prone to sensationalist crap - but you have certainly delivered here!Miguelito wrote: For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories.
I would say that the inverse is closer to the truth. For every 100 good stories there is 1 horror story. Which, of course is still very high and not worth the risk for serious procedures.
And many of the horror stories are completely horrific!
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It might be a bit of hyperbole, but I stand by the point. I've talked to Western doctors here who say that they can't even get reliable results back from a lab, as people don't know what to look for, don't properly clean the equipment, etc. I used to be more optimistic about the developing state of the health care here, but it's just story after story of fuck ups. Real simple things like X-rays taken with the foot in the wrong position, demanding blood tests and lung x-rays for a dislocated shoulder, diagnosing an allergy to limes when it was a small fungal infection on the hand (seriously, how does a "Western trained doctor" look at a fungal rash on person's hand and instantly conclude "that's an allergic reaction to limes"?), to way more serious issues like when my friend had serious internal bleeding and seizures, went to two different hospitals, and they diagnosed something like "dehydration" and tried to send her away.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:That’s a complete over exaggeration. Migs you aren’t usually prone to sensationalist crap - but you have certainly delivered here!Miguelito wrote: For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories.
I would say that the inverse is closer to the truth. For every 100 good stories there is 1 horror story. Which, of course is still very high and not worth the risk for serious procedures.
And many of the horror stories are completely horrific!
But it's probably one of those things that you only here the bad (horror or just funny) stories, and not many of the success stories.
Do expats elect to have surgery done in Cambodia?ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:That’s a complete over exaggeration. Migs you aren’t usually prone to sensationalist crap - but you have certainly delivered here!Miguelito wrote: For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories.
I would say that the inverse is closer to the truth. For every 100 good stories there is 1 horror story. Which, of course is still very high and not worth the risk for serious procedures.
And many of the horror stories are completely horrific!
How many do this,and why?
You should all have emergency funds to fly home for free surgery that you can trust.
Hands up how many of you guys have been checked for diabetes,bowel and prostate cancer, and full blood tests for everything in the past 5years.
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I certainly do, I use Central Hospital. I use them because they have a good standard of care at reasonable prices, and procedures can often performed more or less immediately.Jep wrote:Do expats elect to have surgery done in Cambodia?ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:That’s a complete over exaggeration. Migs you aren’t usually prone to sensationalist crap - but you have certainly delivered here!Miguelito wrote: For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories.
I would say that the inverse is closer to the truth. For every 100 good stories there is 1 horror story. Which, of course is still very high and not worth the risk for serious procedures.
And many of the horror stories are completely horrific!
How many do this,and why?
You should all have emergency funds to fly home for free treatment.
Surgical procedures may be done free of charge in some countries, but there is often a waiting period and travel to the country and accommodation costs money. For example having a skin graft operation here may cost around $1300 which includes a night or two in hospital. Getting the same procedure done in the UK could cost more in travel and accommodation, and it is not immediate. One patient came into the hospital requiring a cyst to be removed from his back. In just under an hour surgery was complete and he was discharged. Total cost around $100.
Many injuries such as traumatic brain injury for example needs immediate intervention. You can have as much money as you like, but if the standard of care you want is hours away you could die.
The problem with Cambodia is that the standard of care is highly variable, so it is important to pick the right hospital.
Had a few. My last check up, including cardiac check and blood tests was a couple of months ago.Jep wrote: Hands up how many of you guys have been checked for diabetes,bowel and prostate cancer, and full blood tests for everything in the past 5years.
Massive Respect Catman Meo~ you still got 9 livesMèo Đen wrote:I certainly do, I use Central Hospital. I use them because they have a good standard of care at reasonable prices, and procedures can often performed more or less immediately.Jep wrote:Do expats elect to have surgery done in Cambodia?ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:That’s a complete over exaggeration. Migs you aren’t usually prone to sensationalist crap - but you have certainly delivered here!Miguelito wrote: For every one person who will come on here and say "well, things have gotten a lot better. I had this surgery done / my wife gave birth fine / etc" there will be 100 horror stories.
I would say that the inverse is closer to the truth. For every 100 good stories there is 1 horror story. Which, of course is still very high and not worth the risk for serious procedures.
And many of the horror stories are completely horrific!
How many do this,and why?
You should all have emergency funds to fly home for free treatment.
Surgical procedures may be done free of charge in some countries, but there is often a waiting period and travel to the country and accommodation costs money. For example having a skin graft operation here may cost around $1300 which includes a night or two in hospital. Getting the same procedure done in the UK could cost more in travel and accommodation, and it is not immediate. One patient came into the hospital requiring a cyst to be removed from his back. In just under an hour surgery was complete and he was discharged. Total cost around $100.
Many injuries such as traumatic brain injury for example needs immediate intervention. You can have as much money as you like, but if the standard of care you want is hours away you could die.
The problem with Cambodia is that the standard of care is highly variable, so it is important to pick the right hospital.Had a few. My last check up, including cardiac check and blood tests was a couple of months ago.Jep wrote: Hands up how many of you guys have been checked for diabetes,bowel and prostate cancer, and full blood tests for everything in the past 5years.
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If most foreigner deaths here are the result of ''heart attacks'', i wonder how long on average an evac to nearby countries takes, and how much the ''golden hour'' comes into play?
ie, after a heart attack (or serious injury), how long in total would it take to - make sure you are covered, organize the helicopter - load you up, flying time, etc?
The heart muscle starts to die within 80-90 minutes after it stops getting blood supply, and this critical time is termed as the ‘Golden Hour’. Because immediate action is so critical to limit heart muscle (myocardial) damage & optimize a better recovery for the patient, health care professionals refer to this time frame as ‘The Golden Hour’.
Golden hour is the critical one hour from the onset of a heart attack. Most of the heart attack deaths occur during this period if not treated properly.
The Golden Hour is a window of opportunity that impacts a patient's survival and quality of life following a heart attack.
ie, after a heart attack (or serious injury), how long in total would it take to - make sure you are covered, organize the helicopter - load you up, flying time, etc?
The heart muscle starts to die within 80-90 minutes after it stops getting blood supply, and this critical time is termed as the ‘Golden Hour’. Because immediate action is so critical to limit heart muscle (myocardial) damage & optimize a better recovery for the patient, health care professionals refer to this time frame as ‘The Golden Hour’.
Golden hour is the critical one hour from the onset of a heart attack. Most of the heart attack deaths occur during this period if not treated properly.
The Golden Hour is a window of opportunity that impacts a patient's survival and quality of life following a heart attack.
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I remember Playboy imparting some wisdom on me when I first washed up in PP years ago and that was: "If it can't be healed with a Band-Aid or Panadol then gtfo as quickly as possible"
If he'd only given a similar warning to buying into shitty dive bars then I might still be around
If he'd only given a similar warning to buying into shitty dive bars then I might still be around
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My friend was evac’d within 6 hours of arriving at Royal Ratanak.
Can’t seen a flight being chartered, visas sorted etc within the hour. Bear in mind that there will be a further hour of flying time plus ambulance time in destination country. Probably 10-12 hours from arrival in Hospital in Phnom Penh to arrival in Bangkok hospital.
Saying that, you will be receiving medical care throughout this period so the golden hour will be extended.
Can’t seen a flight being chartered, visas sorted etc within the hour. Bear in mind that there will be a further hour of flying time plus ambulance time in destination country. Probably 10-12 hours from arrival in Hospital in Phnom Penh to arrival in Bangkok hospital.
Saying that, you will be receiving medical care throughout this period so the golden hour will be extended.
I was evacuated to Bangkok hospital, was knocked out most of the time so no idea how long it took.
I wasn’t going to die though, just getting titanium in my face for moto accident and a few other surgeries (hands, mouth teeth)
I woke up in Calmette ER, saw some people die. At one point I was left in some outside area unattended and had to yell out for a while before being taken to a room. That place is terrible.
I wasn’t going to die though, just getting titanium in my face for moto accident and a few other surgeries (hands, mouth teeth)
I woke up in Calmette ER, saw some people die. At one point I was left in some outside area unattended and had to yell out for a while before being taken to a room. That place is terrible.
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