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Post by Aseriousman » Sun May 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Prahok wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:05 pm
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Sun May 12, 2019 10:36 am
Is the gist of all this that Assman hasn't got any money and is annoyed about it?
The fact that some people don"t support any of the Cambodian parties does his head in and has him grasping into his big sack of straw men.

Odd chap.
No straw men, all on topic answers from me. It's you lot that have been trying to sidetrack using straw men and Chewbacca arguments.

Let's see, they couldn't support the Candlelight Party, as that would be tantamount to supporting Rainsy.
They couldn't support FUNCIPEC, as they are a dead parrot, even if they did do a deal with HE to get some seats. How did that work out for them?
I think just about all the rest were set up by HE to try and prove to the world that Cambodia still has a pluralist democracy. :lol:

The business community are non aligned in as much as they use non alignment as an excuse to keep making money.
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Post by Aseriousman » Sun May 12, 2019 5:49 pm

Playboy wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:39 pm
Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:09 pm
The good - that's me.
The bad - that's prahok and playboy.
The ugly - that's slavedog and robW
Well, let me see ...

During my 18 years in Cambodia I have, employed 1,000s of Cambodians, created 100s of new jobs, and brought in $Millions in FDI.

Yup, I am a really really bad man.
Anybody that support Rees-Mog for PM can't be all good.
Think of all that money you have given to the PMs family. Wow!
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Post by Aseriousman » Sun May 12, 2019 6:04 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:29 pm
Another case of someone blindly supporting a cause they didn't understand, and then deflecting all criticism with nonsense and ad hominems.
I already addressed that criticism re the absolutist ad hom thrown at me. Try to keep up.
If I'm blindly supporting a cause then so is the EU. I think we aren't "blindly supporting" anything, and are fully aware of the facts.

Edit. The European elections are coming up, and there will be a new EU president by the end of the year. Nothing is certain.

I'm not sure about this Aung San Suu Kyi = Rainsy argument.
There are a lot of similarities, but also a lot of differences.
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Post by Playboy » Sun May 12, 2019 6:09 pm

Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:49 pm
Playboy wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:39 pm
Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:09 pm
The good - that's me.
The bad - that's prahok and playboy.
The ugly - that's slavedog and robW
Well, let me see ...

During my 18 years in Cambodia I have, employed 1,000s of Cambodians, created 100s of new jobs, and brought in $Millions in FDI.

Yup, I am a really really bad man.
Anybody that support Rees-Mog for PM can't be all good.

Think of all that money you have given to the PMs family. Wow!
Think of all that money I have given to Khmer employees. Wow!

Think of all that money I have paid in taxes. Wow!
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Post by Aseriousman » Sun May 12, 2019 6:30 pm

Playboy wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 6:09 pm
Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:49 pm
Playboy wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:39 pm
Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 5:09 pm
The good - that's me.
The bad - that's prahok and playboy.
The ugly - that's slavedog and robW
Well, let me see ...

During my 18 years in Cambodia I have, employed 1,000s of Cambodians, created 100s of new jobs, and brought in $Millions in FDI.

Yup, I am a really really bad man.
Anybody that support Rees-Mog for PM can't be all good.

Think of all that money you have given to the PMs family. Wow!
Think of all that money I have given to Khmer employees. Wow!

Think of all that money I have paid in taxes. Wow!
I'm not sure if you are a "good man" or a "bad man", as it was just a joke.
If you really wish to know though, I suggest you ask some bar girls. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to give you their instant opinion.

The CNRP did a lot to improve workers rights, salary increases etc in the garment industry, your work place I believe?, shouldn't you be supporting them?
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Post by Mèo Đen » Mon May 13, 2019 10:27 am

Aseriousman wrote: ↑
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The CNRP did a lot to improve workers rights, salary increases etc in the garment industry, your work place I believe?, shouldn't you be supporting them?
:lol:

Well they certainly did a lot to try and disrupt the industry, and prevent workers from going to work. A garment worker I know got beaten and his moto damaged by CNRP supportes who were trying to prevent workers entering their factory in the 2013 election time. Rainsy came to a factory where a couple of girls I know worked and every one told him tp "Eff off" They did not want their work interrupted.

Don't forget it was the CPP that increased wages and provided healthcare etc. as I mentioned before:

"The Government have made have made great strides in improving peoples lives over the past 20 years, for example, a 60% reduction in poverty between 2004 and 2011, health care has increased considerably for the people with programmes for reproductive, maternal, newborn and child health and implementing the National Social Protection Policy."

"Wages and conditions for garment workers have improved tremendously. In the mid '90's they were getting around $40 / month now girls are making in excess of $200 and as far as i'm aware access to sick leave and healthcare. The girls I know that are garment workers and are CPP supporters and are fairly happy with their conditions."
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Post by slavedog » Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 am

Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:57 pm
Barang_doa_slae wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:11 pm
slavedog wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 10:46 am
Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2019 10:22 pm
I thought this thread was going to be so we could unite to protest the absurdity of some of the business class flights out of Phnom Penh. Malaysian Air doesn’t even serve alcohol (any flight under three hours), Bangkok business is worse than the emergency exit row, and don’t get me started on this Thai Smile bullshit.

Make business class great again!
It would have made for a more interesting discussion. My appalling treatment in business class on a Malayan flight last year was positively inhumane.

How about the cheapest vodka and liquors being served at Pochentong lounge?
I used to love the smallish old lounge and based on the Newspapers offer I blame the Chinese pax influx for the makeover result.
And the wine in the lounge is unpalatable.

I had a decent Malaysian Air business flight the other week on an A380... but the return on an A350 was crap.
I think the new lounge is OK. I've been in some quite rough ones in the last couple of months, Saigon and Manila come to mind. Phnom Penh lounge is almost opulent in comparison.
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Slavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Post by Aseriousman » Mon May 13, 2019 11:04 am

Mèo Đen wrote: ↑
Mon May 13, 2019 10:27 am
Aseriousman wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 6:30 pm
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The CNRP did a lot to improve workers rights, salary increases etc in the garment industry, your work place I believe?, shouldn't you be supporting them?
:lol:

Well they certainly did a lot to try and disrupt the industry, and prevent workers from going to work. A garment worker I know got beaten and his moto damaged by CNRP supportes who were trying to prevent workers entering their factory in the 2013 election time. Rainsy came to a factory where a couple of girls I know worked and every one told him tp "Eff off" They did not want their work interrupted.

Don't forget it was the CPP that increased wages and provided healthcare etc. as I mentioned before:

"The Government have made have made great strides in improving peoples lives over the past 20 years, for example, a 60% reduction in poverty between 2004 and 2011, health care has increased considerably for the people with programmes for reproductive, maternal, newborn and child health and implementing the National Social Protection Policy."

"Wages and conditions for garment workers have improved tremendously. In the mid '90's they were getting around $40 / month now girls are making in excess of $200 and as far as i'm aware access to sick leave and healthcare. The girls I know that are garment workers and are CPP supporters and are fairly happy with their conditions."
Excuse me! If it hadn't been for all the factory workers supporting the CNRP, they would have never gotten those wage increases or conditions. It was purely a populist move by HE to try a win back support to his party. The earlier increases were a result of foreigners meddling in a sovereign nations affairs. Those were the CNRP's election promises stolen by the incumbent government.
If only he knew what he was going to do to the CNRP and that the EBA would be withrawn back then, I doubt if he would have even bothered.

And the majority, if not all of those health programs were not Instigated by government ministers in anything but name, they were set up, funded for the most part and run by US, EU and Japanese programs.

The CPP as incumbent for the last nearly 40 years, should have done more, a lot more.

The west would have invested heavily if the government hadn't been obsessed with maintaining power and thieving whatever it could. Trees, sand, land - whatever it could.

Transparency, proper anti corruption and rule of law, not rule by law, would have allowed Cambodia to become a strong example of how a democracy can work in Asia,

Too little, too late imo.

Your support of this government is horrendous to me.
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Post by Prahok » Mon May 13, 2019 11:07 am

slavedog wrote: ↑
Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 am
Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:57 pm
Barang_doa_slae wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:11 pm
slavedog wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 10:46 am
Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2019 10:22 pm
I thought this thread was going to be so we could unite to protest the absurdity of some of the business class flights out of Phnom Penh. Malaysian Air doesn’t even serve alcohol (any flight under three hours), Bangkok business is worse than the emergency exit row, and don’t get me started on this Thai Smile bullshit.

Make business class great again!
It would have made for a more interesting discussion. My appalling treatment in business class on a Malayan flight last year was positively inhumane.

How about the cheapest vodka and liquors being served at Pochentong lounge?
I used to love the smallish old lounge and based on the Newspapers offer I blame the Chinese pax influx for the makeover result.
And the wine in the lounge is unpalatable.

I had a decent Malaysian Air business flight the other week on an A380... but the return on an A350 was crap.
I think the new lounge is OK. I've been in some quite rough ones in the last couple of months, Saigon and Manila come to mind. Phnom Penh lounge is almost opulent in comparison.
Manila is bad until you get to the United Airlines business lounge in Guam - two minute noodles, cinamon buns and filtered American coffee. No beer, let alone wine.

I should add their lounge didn't open until an hour or so after the flight arrived (red-eye from Manila).
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Post by Aseriousman » Mon May 13, 2019 11:15 am

Prahok wrote: ↑
Mon May 13, 2019 11:07 am
slavedog wrote: ↑
Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 am
Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:57 pm
Barang_doa_slae wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 2:11 pm
slavedog wrote: ↑
Sun May 12, 2019 10:46 am
Miguelito wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2019 10:22 pm
I thought this thread was going to be so we could unite to protest the absurdity of some of the business class flights out of Phnom Penh. Malaysian Air doesn’t even serve alcohol (any flight under three hours), Bangkok business is worse than the emergency exit row, and don’t get me started on this Thai Smile bullshit.

Make business class great again!
It would have made for a more interesting discussion. My appalling treatment in business class on a Malayan flight last year was positively inhumane.

How about the cheapest vodka and liquors being served at Pochentong lounge?
I used to love the smallish old lounge and based on the Newspapers offer I blame the Chinese pax influx for the makeover result.
And the wine in the lounge is unpalatable.

I had a decent Malaysian Air business flight the other week on an A380... but the return on an A350 was crap.
I think the new lounge is OK. I've been in some quite rough ones in the last couple of months, Saigon and Manila come to mind. Phnom Penh lounge is almost opulent in comparison.
Manila is bad until you get to the United Airlines business lounge in Guam - two minute noodles, cinamon buns and filtered American coffee. No beer, let alone wine.
How much are you paying for these CRG lounges?
It sounds like a complete waste of money.
Still, you should be thankful for a little bit of separation.
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Mon May 13, 2019 11:24 am

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The CNRP did a lot to improve workers rights, salary increases etc in the garment industry, your work place I believe?, shouldn't you be supporting them?
They didn't do any of that. They formed, promised "change" and improved salaries and to expel millions of Youns. Then after the election they claimed the voter fraud, refused to take their seats and started a series of protests. They didn't actually do anything they promised.
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Post by Aseriousman » Mon May 13, 2019 11:35 am

Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑
Mon May 13, 2019 11:24 am
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The CNRP did a lot to improve workers rights, salary increases etc in the garment industry, your work place I believe?, shouldn't you be supporting them?
They didn't do any of that. They formed, promised "change" and improved salaries and to expel millions of Youns. Then after the election they claimed the voter fraud, refused to take their seats and started a series of protests. They didn't actually do anything they promised.
Of course they did. That's what opposition in shadow us about, bringing in new ideas and holding the government to account. Well, you can forget all that now.
I'm glad that you recognise two of their election promises. And why didn't they take their seats? #! Because of wide spread vote fraud perpetrated by the CPP,( that's the people you are supporting btw).
As mentioned previously, those policies were directly stolen from the CNRP by the CPP to win popular support. They have been throwing out fourth generation Cambodians and classing them as Vietnamese for a few years now.The populist purge has already started, by HE. I suggest you stop using the KT and Fresh News as go to places for what's happening in the country.
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Mon May 13, 2019 12:08 pm

I'm glad that you recognise two of their election promises. And why didn't they take their seats? #! Because of wide spread vote fraud perpetrated by the CPP,( that's the people you are supporting btw).
There was zero evidence of voter fraud, that was just a diversionary tactic as they had no clue how to actually operate in government. And please quite your binary bullshit, just because someone doesn't support one party doesn't mean they do support any other party. I suggest you stop using the Republican Institute and RFA as go to places for what's happening in the country.
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I'm glad that you recognise two of their election promises. And why didn't they take their seats? #! Because of wide spread vote fraud perpetrated by the CPP,( that's the people you are supporting btw).
There was zero evidence of voter fraud, that was just a diversionary tactic as they had no clue how to actually operate in government. And please quite your binary bullshit, just because someone doesn't support one party doesn't mean they do support any other party. I suggest you stop using the Republican Institute and RFA as go to places for what's happening in the country.

Exactly the IRI are a dangerous bunch:

COHA report June 2008

The International Republican Institute claims to be a nonpartisan organization whose mission is to “advance freedom worldwide by developing political parties, civic institutions, open elections, good governance and the rule of law.” Unfortunately, the magnanimous goals of the IRI have been distorted by a quest to advance rightist US initiatives. Ghassan Atiyyah, Director of the Iraq Foundation for Development and Democracy (a beneficiary of a $116,448 donation from the IRI) commented on the inconsistency of the organization’s policy: “Instead of promoting impartial, better understanding of certain ideas and concepts, they are actually trying to further the cause of the Republican administration.” Though Atiyyah here refers to the current Bush Administration, the McCain administration promises to be equally compatible with the strong armed methods advocated by the IRI and practiced in Latin America in the past.


............Furthermore, during the years that the presumptive candidate chaired the IRI, the organization has chosen ironic means to “advance freedom:” training corrupt opposition leaders and providing funds to groups that effectively undermine often democratically-elected officials that the US government views unfavorably. In addition to running training camps, the IRI also conducts polls in high-stakes elections; the organization has been known to conduct “secret polls” with the intention of skewing public opinion in order to yield a desired outcome. The problem with such secret polls is that they cannot be verified and often contradict the findings of other, similar studies.

A bit of history the IRI in Venezuela for example
After a failed coup attempt against Venezuela’s democratically elected but left-leaning President Hugo Chávez in 2002, the Bush Administration faced accusations of being involved in the attempted overthrow. Despite Washington’s energetic denials, it became apparent that the Bush administration had tentatively interfered in Venezuela by providing opposition groups with considerable donations through the IRI. The US government has encouraged sensationalizing the negative aspects of the Venezuelan government and demonized its President more aggressively than might be warranted. Though Chávez has become more confrontational and his popularity has fluctuated since coming to power in 1999, he took office with and maintains considerable public support. Since 1998, the poverty rate has dropped from 54 percent to 38.5 percent (30 percent if food and health subsidies are considered). The people of Venezuela gained free health care and more than half the population was enrolled in free, public education. Yet, on April 11, 2002 Venezuelan military leaders briefly removed Chávez from power and replaced him with a pro-US businessman named Pedro Carmona. Despite the objections of almost all Latin American nations, the US hailed the overthrow of Chávez as a victory for democracy and the Venezuelan people. Before the coup had even been completed, the IRI president at the time, George Folsom, claimed, “The Venezuelan people rose up to defend democracy.” However, Chávez was reinstalled just two days later after his supporters took to the streets and Carmona was deposed. Upon his return to power, Chávez condemned the United States for its quick recognition of the new and illegitimate government.

Between 2000 and 2001, the National Endowment for Democracy (one of the main sponsors of the IRI) tripled its funding in Venezuela from $257,831 to $877,435. This allocation was granted to anti-Chávez groups, including two that participated in the protests that resulted in his brief overthrow in 2002. The IRI office in Caracas received $339,998 in 2001, a seven-fold increase from its meager $50,000 grant in 2000. Though the IRI claims to have used these funds in its work with the Youth Participation Foundation (FPJ), the organization ostensibly no longer existed at that time. Instead, funds were used to sponsor political party-building workshops, which conceivably could have been a legitimate use of funds had the participants not have been handpicked solely from opposition groups. During the month before the coup, the IRI flew a group of anti-Chávez politicians, union leaders and activists to Washington to meet with US officials.3 While it is possible that the meeting was perfectly innocent, the timing and secrecy delegitimize any explanation of coincidence. If the IRI is indeed guilty of intervening in Venezuelan politics, one must wonder which of its professed high moral standards it was pursuing at the time.
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