The New and Improved Expat Brexit Referendum
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- OneTrickPony
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Grimbo, I post and you ignore. Or you post, I respond and you ignore. Only on relevant points though.
It's getting very tiresome.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 35#p982424
That's the link to Zero Hour Contracts. You'll also notice info from official organisations on less inequality.in EU countries compared with the UK.
If you had responded to those points, I would have provided the links.
Yourself, and a of of other people - including Brexiters, have been taking advantage of lower prices from EU countries for decades. Even with the Euro and their %20 vat on all items, they still in the most part, come out as being cheaper on many essential everyday items.
Zero Hour Contracts have no place in any decent society. The UK and the US would appear through their actions to disagree with that statement. The EU through its actions would appear to agree with it.
This from your first link in the above post, and also why certain people want to Brexit:
The directive:
All workers in the EU will have the right to:
more complete information on the essential aspects of the work, to be received early by the worker, in writing,
a limit to the length of probationary periods at the beginning of the job,
seek additional employment, with a ban on exclusivity clauses and limits on incompatibility clauses,
know a reasonable period in advance when work will take place, for workers with very unpredictable working schedules, as in the case if on-demand work,
anti-abuse legislation for zero hour contract work,
receive a written reply to a request to transfer to another more secure job,
receive cost-free the mandatory training that the employer has a duty to provide
It's getting very tiresome.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 35#p982424
That's the link to Zero Hour Contracts. You'll also notice info from official organisations on less inequality.in EU countries compared with the UK.
If you had responded to those points, I would have provided the links.
Yourself, and a of of other people - including Brexiters, have been taking advantage of lower prices from EU countries for decades. Even with the Euro and their %20 vat on all items, they still in the most part, come out as being cheaper on many essential everyday items.
Zero Hour Contracts have no place in any decent society. The UK and the US would appear through their actions to disagree with that statement. The EU through its actions would appear to agree with it.
This from your first link in the above post, and also why certain people want to Brexit:
The directive:
All workers in the EU will have the right to:
more complete information on the essential aspects of the work, to be received early by the worker, in writing,
a limit to the length of probationary periods at the beginning of the job,
seek additional employment, with a ban on exclusivity clauses and limits on incompatibility clauses,
know a reasonable period in advance when work will take place, for workers with very unpredictable working schedules, as in the case if on-demand work,
anti-abuse legislation for zero hour contract work,
receive a written reply to a request to transfer to another more secure job,
receive cost-free the mandatory training that the employer has a duty to provide
Up the workers!
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I think the Brits could extend their natural alliance with the US and also Scandinavia, who for most of the part speak English very well as a second language. Greenland lies between, and should be included as well, and we'd have an autonomous region to challenge the Franco/German dominance in the over paid and often dysfunctional Brussels.
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If I knew what you were asking instead of you randomly waffling on with no point made it would helpkungfufighter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:34 amGrimbo, I post and you ignore. Or you post, I respond and you ignore. Only on relevant points though.
It's getting very tiresome.
How is the UK treating its citizens comparatively worse on many things than many other EU countries? Give a specific example together with the countries involved.
You said "What we actually got was a lot of the bad things without many of the good things"
Again, no specifics, just random waffle a la Project Fear.
When I responded to you post about the above together with the relevant EU directives and proof that the UK treats it's citizens and EU members better than most other EU countries, you ignore it.
Sorry pal, you never back up your stance re "the UK is treating us all badly and it will get worse".
For your benefit again as you probably did not even read it,
Many of the EU Labour Laws were taken from the UK laws which were considered to be some of the best in the EU.
There are minimum standards by which we comply and in most cases exceed.
The UK on a per head of benefit claims (not GDP) has been top since records began and on a GDP basis is number 9 out of 28 countries. A record to be proud of instead of moaning.
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The UK a leader in giving your tax £ into benefit claims is something to be proud of??
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- not taking into account the voices of hundreds of thousands Brit expats in the EU in the first place in the initial referendumranting old fool wrote:How is the UK treating its citizens comparatively worse on many things than many other EU countries? Give a specific example together with the countries involve
- hijacking of the parliamenty process by an extremist tiny minority
Btw we're still waiting on a clear answer (and concise please, your 2000 words tirades are too tiresome to bother) on the simple question "what concrete advantage will brexit bring to your kids"
In the meantime:
They won't be able to travel in the EU using cheap UK phone/internet rates
No more working rights or almost free banking transfers to EU countries, this will hurt thousands of Brit students and OAP (but senile old farts who live in the past and basking in the imaginary glory of a forgotten British empire dont give a shit, obviously)
- even slower border crossings
- exodus of multinationals and highly paid jobs
- NHS already understaffed losing thousands more of qualified EU staff at all levels
Etc.
Vs ? What exactly?
Be clear and concise grimpy. I know it's hard for you to focus on concrete stuff but give it a try.
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logos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:05 pm- not taking into account the voices of hundreds of thousands Brit expats in the EU in the first place in the initial referendumranting old fool wrote:How is the UK treating its citizens comparatively worse on many things than many other EU countries? Give a specific example together with the countries involve
- hijacking of the parliamenty process by an extremist tiny minority
Btw we're still waiting on a clear answer (and concise please, your 2000 words tirades are too tiresome to bother) on the simple question "what concrete advantage will brexit bring to your kids"
They won't be able to travel in the EU using cheap UK phone/internet rates
No more working rights or almost free banking transfers to EU countries, this will hurt thousands of Brit students and OAP (but old farts who live in the past fight give a shit, obviously)
- even slower border crossings
- exodus of multinationals and highly paid jobs
- NHS already understaffed losing thousands more of qualified EU staff at all levels
Etc.
Vs ? What exactly?
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Free trade deals with foreign countries abound > UK shipping industry boom > Rule Britainia once again rules the waves....never, never, never shall be slaves again to Brussels.logos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:05 pm- not taking into account the voices of hundreds of thousands Brit expats in the EU in the first place in the initial referendumranting old fool wrote:How is the UK treating its citizens comparatively worse on many things than many other EU countries? Give a specific example together with the countries involve
- hijacking of the parliamenty process by an extremist tiny minority
Btw we're still waiting on a clear answer (and concise please, your 2000 words tirades are too tiresome to bother) on the simple question "what concrete advantage will brexit bring to your kids"
They won't be able to travel in the EU using cheap UK phone/internet rates
No more working rights or almost free banking transfers to EU countries, this will hurt thousands of Brit students and OAP (but old farts who live in the past fight give a shit, obviously)
- even slower border crossings
- exodus of multinationals and highly paid jobs
- NHS already understaffed losing thousands more of qualified EU staff at all levels
Etc.
Vs ? What exactly?
Why cant we have both the current benefits of Freedom of Movement, combined with the sanity of running our own financial affairs exactly how we choose?
Is the EU really the "Free Market Capitalism at it's best", that people so lorde over on here?
The EU is abit like Walmart being Brussels/Germany, and saying to Tesco's, Sainsbury's, and M&S - "Right, we are gonna set all the rules in the sector now, and you are gonna have to play along with them".
Capitalism is after all dog eat dog, greed is good. Only the fittest survive. A business makes decisions only in its own self interest. The ultimate goal is to kill all competition enabling you to have pricing power.
Nige Farage understands this because he is an ex commodities broker.
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And finally. Spit, these Remain posters have no bases for their claims. It is all scare and rumour initiated by Project Fear. Project Fear relies on simple minds not being able to think for themselves as thinking for themselves requires effort. Not a single fact from logos, just unsubstantiated rumours..logos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:05 pm- not taking into account the voices of hundreds of thousands Brit expats in the EU in the first place in the initial referendum.
They were, the procedure was in place for UK citizens living in the EU to vote in the referendum.
https://fullfact.org/europe/who-can-vote-eu-referendum
- hijacking of the parliamenty process by an extremist tiny minority
I take it you are referring to the plan to take over Commons business next week by the Remainers or the Momentum activist demonstrations.
Btw we're still waiting on a clear answer (and concise please, your 2000 words tirades are too tiresome to bother) on the simple question "what concrete advantage will brexit bring to your kids"
One of these "have you stopped beating your wife, answer yes or no" questions. No one will know until the final details of Brexit are known. (if we leave)
In the meantime:
They won't be able to travel in the EU using cheap UK phone/internet rates
Project Fear. Show me where it states that this will be the case. All conjecture and smoke.
No more working rights or almost free banking transfers to EU countries, this will hurt thousands of Brit students and OAP (but senile old farts who live in the past and basking in the imaginary glory of a forgotten British empire dont give a shit, obviously)
The biggest lie told by Project Fear. Not based on any facts at all. Just wild rumours by Remainers.
- even slower border crossings
- exodus of multinationals and highly paid jobs
- NHS already understaffed losing thousands more of qualified EU staff at all levels
Etc.
All of your "points" were totally without foundation or fact. You have been truly won over by Project Fear. Not a single fact in your post.
Vs ? What exactly?
Be clear and concise grimpy. I know it's hard for you to focus on concrete stuff but give it a try.
Clear enough? Every question answered and every question by you nothing more than scare tactics from the Project Fear handbook for dummies.
Sleep, those little slices of death — how I loathe them.
Funny, but what concrete arguments can be expected from a guy who claimed the pound would be 1.3€ in 4 months
So according to you
- there's been no exodus of multinationals to Germany, Holland, France, Germany, Ireland?
- you'll be able to use your British number and 4g subscription when you travel to sowin or Paris after a no deal brexit?
All you got to say is " no one will know until final details are finalised"?
Well that's as clear and limpid as your previous reasonings.
So according to you
- there's been no exodus of multinationals to Germany, Holland, France, Germany, Ireland?
- you'll be able to use your British number and 4g subscription when you travel to sowin or Paris after a no deal brexit?
All you got to say is " no one will know until final details are finalised"?
Well that's as clear and limpid as your previous reasonings.
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Yes let's trade self rule and determination for the kind of perks you might expect on a Tesco club card...logos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:05 pm- not taking into account the voices of hundreds of thousands Brit expats in the EU in the first place in the initial referendumranting old fool wrote:How is the UK treating its citizens comparatively worse on many things than many other EU countries? Give a specific example together with the countries involve
- hijacking of the parliamenty process by an extremist tiny minority
Btw we're still waiting on a clear answer (and concise please, your 2000 words tirades are too tiresome to bother) on the simple question "what concrete advantage will brexit bring to your kids"
In the meantime:
They won't be able to travel in the EU using cheap UK phone/internet rates
No more working rights or almost free banking transfers to EU countries, this will hurt thousands of Brit students and OAP (but senile old farts who live in the past and basking in the imaginary glory of a forgotten British empire dont give a shit, obviously)
- even slower border crossings
- exodus of multinationals and highly paid jobs
- NHS already understaffed losing thousands more of qualified EU staff at all levels
Etc.
Vs ? What exactly?
Be clear and concise grimpy. I know it's hard for you to focus on concrete stuff but give it a try.
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logos, I just do not understand you. Each one of your points proven false yet you still persist ignoring the points you lose on and clutching at straws. Why do you love being proved wrong all of the time? You are not even British yet seem to be one of the main Remain protagonistslogos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:44 pmFunny, but what concrete arguments can be expected from a guy who claimed the pound would be 1.3€ in 4 months
So according to you
- there's been no exodus of multinationals to Germany, Holland, France, Germany, Ireland?
- you'll be able to use your British number and 4g subscription when you travel to sowin or Paris after a no deal brexit?
All you got to say is " no one will know until final details are finalised"?
Well that's as clear and limpid as your previous reasonings.
Here we go again.
First, the number of EU nationals living in the UK rises each month, why is this?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 28496.html
The truth is the opposite to what your Project Fear tries to claim. The global consultancy EY’s annual survey of investment trends, now it its tenth year, for the first time ever has put the UK as the world’s top investment destination – extraordinarily topping even the US, an economy far, far bigger than ours.
Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) increased 6% in 2017 (the latest available figures) over the previous year, creating an estimated 50,196 new jobs.
There were 1,205 new projects against 1,138 in 2016 and only 700 in 2012. Growth was strongest outside London, especially in the South East, East and South West.
The UK is the clear European market leader in attracting FDI with 18% market share. FDI created 50,000 jobs in the UK, 31,000 in Germany, 26,000 in Russia, 24,000 in France and 23,000 in Poland. When surveyed about Brexit, 6% of investors said it decreased their attraction to the UK, while 7% said it increased their attraction.
Please, please, pretty please show everyone where I have stated that there's been no exodus of multinationals to Germany, Holland, France, Germany, Ireland? ......... That is typical of the false statements you make trying to muddy the water. I accept your apology..
Yes some EU companies will hedge their bets by opening offices in other EU countries but major ones like Siemens are increasing their investment in the UK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 62981.html
https://www.siemens.co.uk/en/wind/hull.htm
It really is quiet pathetic how you use rumours and Project Fear claims as you basis for discussion.
I am just waiting for you to say the the decline in the car industry in the UK is due to Brexit....Please go ahead and claim it.
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Logos, you are a fraud who posts false statement after false statement and never answers a question.
You never use any fact as a base for your posts but rely on Project Fear diatribe.
Sorry, but your posts are no longer worth replying to as you have lost all credibility with your baseless posts.
You never use any fact as a base for your posts but rely on Project Fear diatribe.
Sorry, but your posts are no longer worth replying to as you have lost all credibility with your baseless posts.
Sleep, those little slices of death — how I loathe them.
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Dude,TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:04 pm
First, the number of EU nationals living in the UK rises every year. Why is this?
There was a time when the UK building sites were full of Irish ground workers.
Then the contractors figured out that they could hire eastern europeans for far less money, who worked harder, and did whatever you told them to do with no questions asked.
It's abit like the Thais who get all the Burmese doing the hard work they are not now prepared to do themselves. The developed 1st world young Facebook generation worker is lazy. They havent suffered as the previous generations have.
Polish is the 2nd most spoken language in Ireland. Alot of the Irish have Monday's off ffs. That's even lazier than us English.
In short, migration in the EU isnt all bad.
If a Cambodian had the chance of earning 10 quid an hour they would probably be working 2 jobs everyday, 7 days a week.
Migration patterns/policies are probably linked to government and private debt in a way. The search for cheap labor to save a few quid.
The Free movement thing fills the void.
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