How can he if he is self isolating?
Boris Got the Wu-Flu
The UK could have been under a Labour government for the past half century and the NHS would still be fucked- because it’s run by absolute morons and has been for decades.
Even after adjusting for inflation, spending on the NHS is TEN times what it was back in the 1950s. (GDP 5x growth for reference)
Labour, Conservatives.. makes no difference- same lies.
Time Brits started spending on infrastructure and other areas, rather than pretending the NHS is anything but a second rate service & burning a whacking great, unjustified, hole in the budget. If it’s that good, turn the UK in a hospital tourism country like Thailand. No takers? I wonder why...
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... en-and-now
Even after adjusting for inflation, spending on the NHS is TEN times what it was back in the 1950s. (GDP 5x growth for reference)
Labour, Conservatives.. makes no difference- same lies.
Time Brits started spending on infrastructure and other areas, rather than pretending the NHS is anything but a second rate service & burning a whacking great, unjustified, hole in the budget. If it’s that good, turn the UK in a hospital tourism country like Thailand. No takers? I wonder why...
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... en-and-now
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
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From your posted article.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:29 pmThe UK could have been under a Labour government for the past half century and the NHS would still be fucked- because it’s run by absolute morons and has been for decades.
Even after adjusting for inflation, spending on the NHS is TEN times what it was back in the 1950s. (GDP 5x growth for reference)
Labour, Conservatives.. makes no difference- same lies.
Time Brits started spending on infrastructure and other areas, rather than pretending the NHS is anything but a second rate service & burning a whacking great, unjustified, hole in the budget. If it’s that good, turn the UK in a hospital tourism country like Thailand. No takers? I wonder why...
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... en-and-now
Since the historic peak of 7.6% in 2009/10 ( pseudo Labour governments), spending has been falling as a percentage of GDP. On current projections and NHS spending plans, between 2009/10 and 2020/21 ( Conservative governments ) spending a lot will have fallen by around 0.5 percentage points of GDP – to 7.1%.
Here's an interesting article comparing world healthcare systems.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... is-the-nhs
Up the workers!
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This is a must read for anyone interested in the major historical changes to the NHS
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/health ... m-timeline
The Griffin Report allowed Thatcher to reorganize the health service by; sacking most ancillary staff such as cleaners, and re- employing them at vastly increased hourly rates on short term contracts through private employment agencies, whilst at the same time freezing those ancillary worker's pay and reducing their employment conditions. Bringing about an unhappy cleaning staff with no real incentive to clean property and lowering overall hygiene standards in hospitals.
Her government also restructured NHS management which upped the rate of managers by three times. She also vastly increased their wages re the Griffin Report. The effect was that vital spending in new equipment was sidelined to the new management structure. Estimates suggest the NHS will never recover to previous standards mainly because of the contemporary cost of similar machines.
Thatcher also started farming out NHS contracts to the private sector and continually undermined its very idea in favour of a private health industry similar to the US. ( See link in previous post for a comparison between the NHS and US systems) .A continuous theme in Conservative or pseudo conservative governments.
The result was a huge waste in NHS spending at the benefit of private companies.
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/health ... m-timeline
The Griffin Report allowed Thatcher to reorganize the health service by; sacking most ancillary staff such as cleaners, and re- employing them at vastly increased hourly rates on short term contracts through private employment agencies, whilst at the same time freezing those ancillary worker's pay and reducing their employment conditions. Bringing about an unhappy cleaning staff with no real incentive to clean property and lowering overall hygiene standards in hospitals.
Her government also restructured NHS management which upped the rate of managers by three times. She also vastly increased their wages re the Griffin Report. The effect was that vital spending in new equipment was sidelined to the new management structure. Estimates suggest the NHS will never recover to previous standards mainly because of the contemporary cost of similar machines.
Thatcher also started farming out NHS contracts to the private sector and continually undermined its very idea in favour of a private health industry similar to the US. ( See link in previous post for a comparison between the NHS and US systems) .A continuous theme in Conservative or pseudo conservative governments.
The result was a huge waste in NHS spending at the benefit of private companies.
Up the workers!
It's all a "not invented here in Britain" syndrome, just like the whole Brexit stupidity.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:26 pmHe said the government’s initial Contain-Delay-Mitigate-Research strategy “failed” because ministers did not follow the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) advice to “test, test, test” all suspected cases.
“They didn’t isolate and quarantine. They didn’t contact trace. These basic principles of public health and infectious disease control were ignored, for reasons that remain opaque,” Mr Horton wrote
That would not be fair, Monkey his father (and other family members) don't support Monkey his practices, on the contrary.
Unfortunately, Labour only did have that stupid Corbyn on offer.
Regarding NHS spendings. There is a completely different mechanism relevant.
Economic "growth" in Western countries in the past 20-30 is largely due to the manufacture outsourcing to low-wage countries like China and (previously) Thailand/Vietnam and the likes. This did create a huge cost decrease for nearly all small and also bigger day-to-day items. Heck, nowadays, even trains and busses start to come from China. Those countries do have a super high productivity, which can not be accomplished in Western countries (Ever seen China factories and compounds at the inside, no Western would be willing to work/live like that).
However, there are some items, you can not obtain from far away. Roughly everything requiring a lot of local human attention.
One of the most visible items of that is the NHS system. It is simply not possible to obtain the increase magnitudes in production productivity (vs. costs), as has been realized in the China factories.
So, all in all, it will be inevitable that more and more a higher percentage of our Western incomes will be spent on things like healthcare and everything else around "care". Just accept it and don't undress the NHS, it will only work against you, when sh!t hits the fan.
Economic "growth" in Western countries in the past 20-30 is largely due to the manufacture outsourcing to low-wage countries like China and (previously) Thailand/Vietnam and the likes. This did create a huge cost decrease for nearly all small and also bigger day-to-day items. Heck, nowadays, even trains and busses start to come from China. Those countries do have a super high productivity, which can not be accomplished in Western countries (Ever seen China factories and compounds at the inside, no Western would be willing to work/live like that).
However, there are some items, you can not obtain from far away. Roughly everything requiring a lot of local human attention.
One of the most visible items of that is the NHS system. It is simply not possible to obtain the increase magnitudes in production productivity (vs. costs), as has been realized in the China factories.
So, all in all, it will be inevitable that more and more a higher percentage of our Western incomes will be spent on things like healthcare and everything else around "care". Just accept it and don't undress the NHS, it will only work against you, when sh!t hits the fan.
Hey Spigzy Durianflake, Regarding The UK NHS. "Your arse is where your Poo comes from, however, your elbow is half way between your shoulder and your wrist.
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You are 100% correct... his father did not support his policy. Well, he did end up supporting Brexit, but last week he very publicly spoke against the need to self-isolate:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/17/stanley- ... 09925/amp/
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They should be focusing all their resources on the elderly.
They should let the rest of the population gain immunity by infection quickly.
Many other countries do not have the patience of the Chinese people and if the lockdown continues for too long, things are going to burn especially in the diverse areas western cities.
They should let the rest of the population gain immunity by infection quickly.
Many other countries do not have the patience of the Chinese people and if the lockdown continues for too long, things are going to burn especially in the diverse areas western cities.
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Fuck the elderly. They have lived too long already. The problem is that the health care system gets overwhelmed and the health care workers are amongst the biggest casualties. Something like 90% of those who end up on ventilation will die, let them die at home surrounded by family and friends who are wearing masks n gloves, rather than by strangers who are wearing the same. If the rest of the population gets immunity but there ain't no doctors n nurses left what will happen then?
k440, something to do when you're pissed.
This is the pragmatic view point and I wouldn't disagree, for the most part. The priority should be for the population to get immunity. We are all going to be eventually exposed to it and nature will run it's course.horace wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:40 amFuck the elderly. They have lived too long already. The problem is that the health care system gets overwhelmed and the health care workers are amongst the biggest casualties. Something like 90% of those who end up on ventilation will die, let them die at home surrounded by family and friends who are wearing masks n gloves, rather than by strangers who are wearing the same. If the rest of the population gets immunity but there ain't no doctors n nurses left what will happen then?
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Some might say the Tories have been trying to kill off the average old person for quite a while - reducing cold-weather payments, care for the elderly, state pensions etc. I wouldn't be surprised if their lack of following the WHO on testing and initial containment measures were in fact aimed at this. After all, if you have private health insurance you're likely to stand a much better chance at survival.
Btw, there is no real need to ' fuck them '. Just quarantine them until it blows through. Most other people can go back to work and school.
Btw, there is no real need to ' fuck them '. Just quarantine them until it blows through. Most other people can go back to work and school.
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Up the workers!
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