The End of the Cambodian Internet?

[Alexandra]

I find it hard to understand how this single gateway will actually operate despite your best efforts.

I'll try to explain as simple as I can.

Imagine a big ocean filled with islands. On every island there are people, and those people like to talk to each other. In order to talk to each other the island sends data to another island. Sometimes data passes through different islands on the way to reach its destination, sometimes it's a direct link. It depends on sender and recipient.

Each island is an ISP and the ocean is the Internet. Each island has one or many address spaces. Island A owns A.A.A.X, island B owns B.B.B.X, and island C owns C.C.C.X. Each island tells the other islands (broadcast) their address space so that the islands know that if the message is being sent to A.A.A.X then it should be sent to island A, and any island on the way that is not island A should pass it on to other islands until it reaches island A.

This is an oversimplification of the Border Gateway Protocol, BGP. Each ISP (island) communicates with other ISPs. Some are in the country, some are abroad. Regardless, every island has other islands that they are connected to. Those islands are called peers and the connection between different islands is called peering:



One day a big fat bully island called The Government appears. The Government doesn't want the islands to talk to each other because The Government is scared of what the different people on the different islands are saying about The Government.

So The Government bullies everybody and cuts off their links to each other and tells Island A, B and C that in order to send information to each other, they must send it to The Government. The Government will in turn pass it on, or not, depending on what it decides after reading every message.

However, the implication of the above commenting is that the U.S. and Chinese governments are already doing this at home, and their internet is not slowed down. Am I wrong?

You are wrong. There is no deep packet inspection without performance penalty.

ISPs send you the speed from your router to their router. They don't sell you speed based on how fast The Government can analyze your traffic. The monitoring happens on the uplink. ISPs store assignment of IP addresses to customers in NetFlow logs and such. So when The Government turns up and says that Island A sent a terrorist love letter from A.A.A.1 to B.B.B.1 then he can bully Island A to reveal the subscriber information that the violating IP was assigned to at the time.

Tor browser is only actually useful for drug and arms dealers, spooks and sexual predators... You may just as well turn yourselves in...

Tor is not only used by criminals. Why did you sign up as "Orichá" instead of using your real name? People use Tor for the same reason. It is not criminal to be anonymous.

[Orichá]

I find it hard to understand how this single gateway will actually operate despite your best efforts.

I'll try to explain as simple as I can.

Imagine a big ocean filled with islands. On every island there are people, and those people like to talk to each other. In order to talk to each other the island sends data to another island. Sometimes data passes through different islands on the way to reach its destination, sometimes it's a direct link. It depends on sender and recipient.

Each island is an ISP and the ocean is the Internet. Each island has one or many address spaces. Island A owns A.A.A.X, island B owns B.B.B.X, and island C owns C.C.C.X. Each island tells the other islands (broadcast) their address space so that the islands know that if the message is being sent to A.A.A.X then it should be sent to island A, and any island on the way that is not island A should pass it on to other islands until it reaches island A.

This is an oversimplification of the Border Gateway Protocol, BGP. Each ISP (island) communicates with other ISPs. Some are in the country, some are abroad. Regardless, every island has other islands that they are connected to. Those islands are called peers and the connection between different islands is called peering:



One day a big fat bully island called The Government appears. The Government doesn't want the islands to talk to each other because The Government is scared of what the different people on the different islands are saying about The Government.

So The Government bullies everybody and cuts off their links to each other and tells Island A, B and C that in order to send information to each other, they must send it to The Government. The Government will in turn pass it on, or not, depending on what it decides after reading every message.

However, the implication of the above commenting is that the U.S. and Chinese governments are already doing this at home, and their internet is not slowed down. Am I wrong?

You are wrong. There is no deep packet inspection without performance penalty.

ISPs send you the speed from your router to their router. They don't sell you speed based on how fast The Government can analyze your traffic. The monitoring happens on the uplink. ISPs store assignment of IP addresses to customers in NetFlow logs and such. So when The Government turns up and says that Island A sent a terrorist love letter from A.A.A.1 to B.B.B.1 then he can bully Island A to reveal the subscriber information that the violating IP was assigned to at the time.

Tor browser is only actually useful for drug and arms dealers, spooks and sexual predators... You may just as well turn yourselves in...

Tor is not only used by criminals. Why did you sign up as "Orichá" instead of using your real name? People use Tor for the same reason. It is not criminal to be anonymous.

So, the basic effect of the single gateway is a potential slow down, either a little or a lot, perhaps depending on the depth of random sampling and/or specific auto-search algorithms, for example...

Anyway, based on revelations via Snowden et al, the NSA is probably monitoring 100% of everything in the U.S.A., or at least has the capacity to do so... The Chinese are aggressively censoring everything all the time, while the Americans are probably targeting whatever they think they ought to, like white supremacist loons. I think the government in the states is quite likely monitoring every single phone call robotically, and in some form or another, all digital internet communication too -- searching for those bad keywords.... In China, while they sometimes get a chance to actually talk freely, the Chinese people don't seem to care about not having any human rights, a consequence of their brainwashing, perhaps. As to loony U.S.A., well, there isn't much you can do for them but point out the downward class spiral into the ever widening gap between the svelte-educated rich and the dumpy-dummy have-nots... Freedom of speech don't seem to be doing too much to cure that. Just as shutting up all Chinese and blinding them to what is really happening doesn't help Uighurs or Tibetans. A lot of propaganda is filling people's heads all around the world today, too. Which makes for a lot of irrational opinions, bigotry and assumed insights but very little sensible thinking...

I was being facetious about who uses the Tor browser for whatever. (But I still don't understand the useful benefits of browser anonymity unless you might live in a place where copyright enforcement is seriously enforced. Or where the government is oppressive to free expression. I guess we'll be seeing a bigger uptake of it here in the near future. The government is so dull and stupid here. They've dumbed the people down for so long, the apathy level is off the scale. What is the government really afraid of? Getting old? That enough people might accidentally get smart?)

BTW, Tor really was devised by and for spooks:

"Tor was largely created through funding from the United States government in the 1990s and early 2000s, including from the Naval Research Lab and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency...."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired. ... on-tor/amp

[Alexandra]

If you boycott technologies because they’ve been developed by American spooks then you can kiss the whole internet goodbye.

We live in the kind of world where NSA is the largest employer of mathematicians. Undefeated crypto is undefeated regardless of who designed it. The Americans are responsible for every cryptographic standard worthy of mention.

There are technologies undefeated by leo and those include Tor. I am talking about breaking messages in transmission. Hacking devices containing keys does not render algorithms useless.

Traditional police investigations still work. That’s why there are arrests of people like Dread Pirate Roberts. Most criminals have terrible opsec but of course lazy leo would prefer backdoors in everything. Luckily we are not there yet.

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." - Edward Snowden

[Orichá]

Revealing article about use of "private data" publicly -- by ICE in the U.S.A... There is no privacy, all electromagnetic and optical lines are tapped now: all of us are already read and recorded, and filed away somewhere for sure...

ICE investigators used a private utility database

I would say that, one day, in the not too distant future, the concept of "privacy" as we know it will become old hat. Public sex venues and gratuitous wife-swapping will be the norm, and perhaps just as common as Vishnu trades his male gender for female, depending on the occasion or his mood...

Men and Women in Hindu Myths

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Revealing article about use of "private data" publicly -- by ICE in the U.S.A... There is no privacy, all electromagnetic and optical lines are tapped now: all of us are already read and recorded, and filed away somewhere for sure...

ICE investigators used a private utility database

I would say that, one day, in the not too distant future, the concept of "privacy" as we know it will become old hat. Public sex venues and gratuitous wife-swapping will be the norm, and perhaps just as common as Vishnu trades his male gender for female, depending on the occasion or his mood...

Men and Women in Hindu Myths

Regarding the ICE article, looks to me, the US people finally start to wake-up about Privacy, lagging some 10-20 years behind the EU.

[Orichá]

Here is a recent article in the Khmer Times about the new gateway. A local ISP executive explains his opinion: the gateway cannot deal with encryption methodologies already built into currently operating internet systems...so it won't work...

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50823924/s ... t-gateway/

[Guru Meditation]

Why not just put up a Starlink antenna if you question local access?
In regions where it is not allowed, have it covered with a non-see-through camouflage that does not interfere with the needed frequencies, too much. Problem solved.
On top of that link, you can run VPNs and other privacy-enhancing technologies, to fit your personal level of security needs.
OK not an option today, but by year-end, they expect to have global coverage.