Casual racism on Khmer440
I can’t speak for Alex but I know as a former owner that it absolutely impacts both new posters and advertisers. I had several advertisers that I approached to come on board. Several said the same thing: love your traffic. Perfect target audience but we can’t put our brand on a site that features such rubbish with impunity.
Owners buy sites for several reasons. The ability to generate a return on investment must be close to the front and centre.
It’s bad for business.
I suspect if posters were asked to pay to be a member and thus change the business model you would all be the first to complain but at least it would then allow you to say what you like.
Owners buy sites for several reasons. The ability to generate a return on investment must be close to the front and centre.
It’s bad for business.
I suspect if posters were asked to pay to be a member and thus change the business model you would all be the first to complain but at least it would then allow you to say what you like.
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With all due respect Alexander it sounds like you've had one or two of the vocal minority SJW types who message admins of forums to try and get people banned and 'cancelled'. I've run forums in the past and they go on about 'hate speech' and that they are leaving the forums because they don't agree with racism and won't communicate with racists. This is all bullshit to try and get what they deem as an opposing ideology removed. If the forum were racist towards white people only they wouldn't speak up.Alexandra wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:53 amTo appeal to a wider audience. Most people are deterred from visiting websites that alienate visitors depending on their race and ethnicity. I want Khmer440 to be a valuable resource to anybody interested in Cambodia and it can't be if it welcomes rhetoric you would expect from the guys on Riverside with Waffen SS tattoos and T-shirts.
What kills forums is banning regulars and spam, If people see something they don't like the vast majority of people will just move on and ignore what that person said. I've seen it so many times when a regular has been banned because a couple of new members have complained about their racism and its lead to the demise of that forum. Now if they are hijacking every unrelated thread and posting about that topic then fair enough (you mentioned earlier that you banned a member for exactly this when they were talking about bitcoin). But banning members for the odd off-colour joke will do more damage to the forum than not.
Now the reason why a lot of younger ex-pats don't like Khmer440 and CEO is that they are perceived to be full of dirty old sexpats. But they still view the forums to find information.
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Cambodian companies - well expat run Cambodian companies?scobienz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:05 amI can’t speak for Alex but I know as a former owner that it absolutely impacts both new posters and advertisers. I had several advertisers that I approached to come on board. Several said the same thing: love your traffic. Perfect target audience but we can’t put our brand on a site that features such rubbish with impunity.
Owners buy sites for several reasons. The ability to generate a return on investment must be close to the front and centre.
It’s bad for business.
I suspect if posters were asked to pay to be a member and thus change the business model you would all be the first to complain but at least it would then allow you to say what you like.
If i was running a company in Cambodia I sure as hell wouldn't be running ads on Khmer440 or CEO that's not because of racism but because members are used to western freedoms and they criticise the Cambodian government and the honour of their women. I don't want an offended khmer government official doing a random spot check on my business because his boss was offended about someone on this forum calling out his ministry as being corrupt and useless.
I can only assume you’re not running a company in Thailand. I ran 440 and as I said - the issue came up too regularly to ignore.
Issues like criticism of government corruption didn’t come into it, largely because the target advertisers were mostly run by expats or aimed directly at expats.
Frankly other people’s opinions don’t really come into it. Only one opinion matters - that of the majority shareholder.
Issues like criticism of government corruption didn’t come into it, largely because the target advertisers were mostly run by expats or aimed directly at expats.
Frankly other people’s opinions don’t really come into it. Only one opinion matters - that of the majority shareholder.
There's ban and ban. Even a short ban for a few days like in this case is enough to make a strong point that rules apply to everyone, which hadn't been implemented in the past. A fair rule of law will strengthen the forum's good standing.
It's nothing like a good old permaban aimed at real trolls à la Jep or Batshit.
It's nothing like a good old permaban aimed at real trolls à la Jep or Batshit.
Typical of the PC mentality that seems to have gripped the planet with soft cock scobiesixsocks talking up what he didn’t have the ticker to do as owner!
Does this mean that the decrepit old playboy will go off sulking for a few months like his knob mate RobW does every time he gets the hump?
Youtube has david allan Coe songs like “nagger fucker” and it’s a wee bit bigger than a cambodian expat forum!.......
Does this mean that the decrepit old playboy will go off sulking for a few months like his knob mate RobW does every time he gets the hump?
Youtube has david allan Coe songs like “nagger fucker” and it’s a wee bit bigger than a cambodian expat forum!.......
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If this is the case, I'm not sure I understand the mods' logic. A policemen can't punish someone for repeatedly driving with a blood alcohol level that's just under the legal limit?
It's an interesting topic. Attacks based on race of course aren't nice and shouldn't be allowed. But what about jokes that draw on stereotypes, English, Scotsman, Irishman jokes, for example? Or calling Belgians cellar-dwellars and the like? Australians uncouth or Americans loud?
As for what constitutes racism these days, it seems that just being white and middle-class is enough for many. And there are lots of people who believe that anyone in favour of Brexit is a racist.
I hope Alexander's intention is not to create some kind of 'safe space' for the easily offended. It's going to be a bit of a dull forum if that's so.
As for what constitutes racism these days, it seems that just being white and middle-class is enough for many. And there are lots of people who believe that anyone in favour of Brexit is a racist.
I hope Alexander's intention is not to create some kind of 'safe space' for the easily offended. It's going to be a bit of a dull forum if that's so.
Is playboy Australian? They throw around racial insults like water, in between cunt and fuck.
I didn’t see the posts but I can’t stand racism.
I didn’t see the posts but I can’t stand racism.
Yes, it is; but only when it's a part of systemic social racism.Guest wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:11 pmIsn't saying 'old white men' racist????
If I said 'old white men' to my father or son, it wouldn't be racist as it's not perpetuating a social construct of racism; the meaning is in the source, audience, context, and intent.
That would be the fair thing to do.Guest wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:11 pmI see more and more white hate and racism every day and it seems to be AOK and even applauded.
I don't get it....
You need to ban all the white haters if you are going to ban all the posters who use what you consider racial slurs.
Seems like the fair thing to do.
That would be me talking to my father or son.
In my view "Guest" is correct, but only by partial representation.
If 'old white men' were said by a Black Separatist group, or The New Black Panthers, or a Black Supremacy group, or somesuch and so forth, in a context in which there were old white men living under and within the reach of the power of those groups, then it could be a racist comment and could be racism.
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Any 'old white guys' living in a society in which they are under-represented in numbers and / or political power are going to be possible targets of racism if racists are there.
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I'm an old white guy living in Cambodia long-term, and I've lost count of the amount of times that small groups of Khmer guys in many different settings have dropped racist comments on me - from tuktuk drivers to shiny generals - so many racists.
The only time I see this as not an immediate threat is when the group has no apparently obvious advantage... no political strength, financial advantage, physical might, or visible weaponry... but all they have to do is give a nationalist call and soon enough they're in a majority.
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'Old white men' can most certainly be racist if it's said supporting a social construct of racism.
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Jokes that draw on stereotypes are just the same.
Are they said in the context of supporting systemic racism?
Fixed that for you.horace wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:19 amThe tiny little Asian hands surely refers to fairies , the type with wings not the mincing about in tights type. If LL had posted the same question and was told to put the phone in a bag of potatoes and the leprechauns would sort it out, would you have removed the post?
"Changing this forum has been like renovating an old building. You can remove the odd racist beam here, the odd homophobic roof tile there, but at the end of the day you realise that it's been built on a solid foundation of cunts."
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