Chances of 'State of Emergency'/full lockdown

[Bong Burgundy]

Local media seems torn between: 'HS will use state of emergency, and has already written to the king, but is still reluctant' to 'There will be no lockdown yet, please don't spread rumors'.

A 2 week lockdown would be really bad, especially for the poor, but with schools closed, many businesses closed, but factories and markets still running as usual, it might be inevitable. Closing all foreign travel might be a good thing, but it seems a lot of $$$ is being generated through deposits/14 days in approved hotels and such.

Right now, bandaids seem to be being applied, rather than a proper solution. Or maybe it's all just a liberal hoax anyway.

What are the chances of a full state lockdown before the new year? Place your bets.

[Alexandra]

As inconvenient as it may be I’m afraid it’s the only practical way to slow down the spread. The virus is obviously spreading faster than they can find it and temporarily closing down every place they find it won’t help. The virus is not limited to Pedro, Zando and Carl’s Jr.

[jackrossi]

Either you do an hardcore lockdown Whuan style or it's a waste of time. Italy, which had a long and strict but incomplete lockdown and Sweden, which did nothing at all, not even enforcing masks are about in the same boat. Countries that did lockdowns had obviously an improvement but that was quickly followed by very rapid spikes as people longed for meeting people. Any form of incomplete lockdown is pointless unless you are out of hospital beds. Rather do 4 weeks hardcore lockdown and get rid of it than 2 weeks and be back to it peaking again a week after.
Short lockdowns will kill the economy and would be a disaster here. One long lockdown with enough notice could solve the problem. Honestly I think that this virus R0 is very, very closely related to temperature.

[Khmerican]

December 6, 2020
No state of emergency would be declared, PM says
Khmer Times

Prime Minister Hun Sen reaffirmed today that the Kingdom will not declare a state of emergency for the “November 28 community incident” because it will paralyze the country’s economy.

In his voice message released today, Mr Hun Sen said he had already drafted a royal decree and a letter to be sent to King Norodom Sihamoni and sub-decrees and letters for the National Assembly and Senate presidents over a declaration of the state of emergency.

“But I don’t want to do so because the national economy will be completely paralyzed. If we lock down the country or any part of the country, such as Phnom Penh or any province, it will hit the economic process,” he said, adding that authorities should work hard to prevent the outbreak with concerted participation by all people.

If the law be in force, the government would have the right to impose several measures, including the prohibition or restriction of freedom of movement, right to freedom of gathering of people and work or occupation.

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50789957/n ... d-pm-says/

[Alexandra]

[Cam-pooh-cheer]

I think it's the right choice for Cambodia. The only really at-risk groups are those in their eighties and those with an underlying health problem. For the overwhelming majority, it's no worse than a flu if that. Cambodia has relatively few people in the at-risk groups and if they are recommended to isolate then the rest of the country should be relatively unscathed. I wish that the UK had adopted this strategy instead of saddling the next generations with a mountain of debt.

[ReasonstobefearfulP3]

I think it's the right choice for Cambodia. The only really at-risk groups are those in their eighties and those with an underlying health problem. For the overwhelming majority, it's no worse than a flu if that. Cambodia has relatively few people in the at-risk groups and if they are recommended to isolate then the rest of the country should be relatively unscathed. I wish that the UK had adopted this strategy instead of saddling the next generations with a mountain of debt.

Whilst I agree with what you're saying, it's very hard for the old to isolate here. Usually living in multi-generational households.

Virus clearly been knocking around all this time, no need to panic now they have actually tested some people and received a positive result.

[v12]

The most important question is, are there sick people (IE more than a little sniffing, etc) ?

For now, the sick and death-rate as well as the recovery rate in Cambodia are far below the world-wide average as well the recovery speed seem to be much faster than throughout the world, in the colder climates (or hot area's with large scale airco usage).

[Miguelito]

Either you do an hardcore lockdown Whuan style or it's a waste of time. Italy, which had a long and strict but incomplete lockdown and Sweden, which did nothing at all, not even enforcing masks are about in the same boat. Countries that did lockdowns had obviously an improvement but that was quickly followed by very rapid spikes as people longed for meeting people. Any form of incomplete lockdown is pointless unless you are out of hospital beds. Rather do 4 weeks hardcore lockdown and get rid of it than 2 weeks and be back to it peaking again a week after.
Short lockdowns will kill the economy and would be a disaster here. One long lockdown with enough notice could solve the problem. Honestly I think that this virus R0 is very, very closely related to temperature.

I would disagree. I think what experts will be talking about in the coming years, when all of this dust settles and committees are formed to create "best practices" and "actions plans" for the next virus outbreak in 10-20 years, is about the "Taiwan Model". Taiwan has done an amazing job since Day 1 - they were arguably the first outside of China to pick up on the virus, and its severity, and begin monitoring incoming travelers from the Wuhan region back in December of 2019. They never needed a mass "Wuhan style lockdown", but used advanced contact tracing and very targeted lockdowns, such as specific apartment buildings. I think that's what Cambodia is doing as well, and it's been the right call up to this point.

[Bruce Highway]

Pooh worries about debt. Don’t worry. The old debt is bad myth has been out bed forever. Sovereign nations print money, its not owed to anyone. Money is free now at point one percent. As long as economic growth is more than point one its no problem.
Australia has just recorded 3.3% growth. We owe hundreds of billions now but the cost of servicing the debt has never been cheaper.
No one is ever going to re possess the USA or UK or Australia. Its always been a scam used to control the workers. The rich have doubled their wealth during Covid, funny how it works for them isnt it?

[Covidly Obese]

https://m.phnompenhpost.com/sites/defau ... k=yXO2T3Oy

Maybe this lot should be pulled in for compulsory covid testing after refusing to mask up and maintain distance...

[Coffee, black.]

https://m.phnompenhpost.com/sites/defau ... k=yXO2T3Oy

Maybe this lot should be pulled in for compulsory covid testing after refusing to mask up and maintain distance...

These?

[orde]

Pooh worries about debt. Don’t worry. The old debt is bad myth has been out bed forever. Sovereign nations print money, its not owed to anyone. Money is free now at point one percent. As long as economic growth is more than point one its no problem.
Australia has just recorded 3.3% growth. We owe hundreds of billions now but the cost of servicing the debt has never been cheaper.
No one is ever going to re possess the USA or UK or Australia. Its always been a scam used to control the workers. The rich have doubled their wealth during Covid, funny how it works for them isnt it?

None of this applies to he vast majority of countries in the world including Cambodia.

China/USA/UK/Australia have international reserve currencies. eg when the UK borrows money it borrows in GBP and as you say if the worst came to the worst it could monetise the debt, just create more GBP.

Most countries are not in that position, when they borrow money it means they are borrowing USD or EUR etc. Cambodia cannot print USD to monetise their debt and if they print Riels then it just becomes more expensive to get the USD.

It's a massive advantage to borrow in your own currency. Interestingly, Eurozone countries are in a twilight zone, Greece for example technically borrows in its own currency but has almost no say in monetary policy, Greece cannot itself print its way out of trouble.

[nonsense]

Pooh worries about debt. Don’t worry. The old debt is bad myth has been out bed forever. Sovereign nations print money, its not owed to anyone. Money is free now at point one percent. As long as economic growth is more than point one its no problem.
Australia has just recorded 3.3% growth. We owe hundreds of billions now but the cost of servicing the debt has never been cheaper.
No one is ever going to re possess the USA or UK or Australia. Its always been a scam used to control the workers. The rich have doubled their wealth during Covid, funny how it works for them isnt it?

None of this applies to he vast majority of countries in the world including Cambodia.

China/USA/UK/Australia have international reserve currencies. eg when the UK borrows money it borrows in GBP and as you say if the worst came to the worst it could monetise the debt, just create more GBP.

Most countries are not in that position, when they borrow money it means they are borrowing USD or EUR etc. Cambodia cannot print USD to monetise their debt and if they print Riels then it just becomes more expensive to get the USD.

It's a massive advantage to borrow in your own currency. Interestingly, Eurozone countries are in a twilight zone, Greece for example technically borrows in its own currency but has almost no say in monetary policy, Greece cannot itself print its way out of trouble.

That is because Greece is a defacto colony of Germany the same way that Cambodia has essentially become a Chinese colony.