Covid 19 in Cambodia - what changed?
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Covid 19 in Cambodia - what changed?
As per the thread title.
Why now, after a year, is Cambodia reporting deaths from covid? It seems that there has been an increase in cases reported too?
So what changed?
Have there been more visitors?
Has the weather changed?
Has testing increased/improved?
Has reporting improved?
Why now, after a year, is Cambodia reporting deaths from covid? It seems that there has been an increase in cases reported too?
So what changed?
Have there been more visitors?
Has the weather changed?
Has testing increased/improved?
Has reporting improved?
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Almost certainly the 20th Feb incident changed everything.violet wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:33 pmAs per the thread title.
Why now, after a year, is Cambodia reporting deaths from covid? It seems that there has been an increase in cases reported too?
So what changed?
Have there been more visitors?
Has the weather changed?
Has testing increased/improved?
Has reporting improved?
Undoubtedly there were some cases in the community throughout the past year. But suddenly we had a few super spreaders and people had become lazy and careless with hygiene measures. They thought that they had beaten - it were immune/too strong for covid.
But since 20th Feb there have been loads, thousands of tests and more tests equals more cases and some of those were very serious. Impossible now to hide/play down deaths when occuring in hospital/quarantine.
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Oh yes. I had forgotten about the February escapades, however people would have been breaking out of isolation/quarantine before. I suppose the variants we are told are more contagious spread from UK, South Africa etc too.
I can see that complacency would contribute also.
I can see that complacency would contribute also.
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Virak Ou has just tweeted ironically:
“It is now confirmed that COVID-19 can spread in Cambodia and Cambodians are not immune.”
“It is now confirmed that COVID-19 can spread in Cambodia and Cambodians are not immune.”
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No change for the poor they're still being shafted by the rich.
What changed: The quarantine escape on/around Feb 7, escalating in the Feb 20 event.
However, this got only detected AFTER somebody got PCR tested to go back to China.
In that period, nobody did seem to have reported about being sick.
So, it is certainly not certain yet, there are no other Covid-19 clusters in Cambodia.
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20 cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
However, this got only detected AFTER somebody got PCR tested to go back to China.
In that period, nobody did seem to have reported about being sick.
So, it is certainly not certain yet, there are no other Covid-19 clusters in Cambodia.
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20 cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
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The bit in bold.v12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:04 pmWhat changed: The quarantine escape on/around Feb 7, escalating in the Feb 20 event.
However, this got only detected AFTER somebody got PCR tested to go back to China.
In that period, nobody did seem to have reported about being sick.
So, it is certainly not certain yet, there are no other Covid-19 clusters in Cambodia.
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20 cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
Is that accurate?
Surely it was detected when the Covid test on entry was done and they went on the second or third day to report the results they discovered that they had skipped quarantine.
Then they were waiting for them on day 12 when they came back to do the second test. I expect that they were looking for them in the interim week or so, but finding a certain Chinawoman in Cambodia is no small task...
Have I understood incorrectly?
Although if my version is right, why they didn't release names and pictures to the public as soon as they were in the wind is beyond me.
Sorry, violet, to go off on a tangent in the middle of your very interesting and promising thread, but this related tangent is kind of interesting too.
Mr Smelly Gas,
I forget, but believe your version is right. However, anyway, let's face it, many details about the Feb 20 Event were left hidden and obscure. I too find this curious. It would be better for me to go back and research the early days of this Event before writing, but I'm not sure the original story holds water. It always felt quite incomplete, breaking news, details not yet inand I just expected the holes would be filled in over time. They never were. The Khmer Times grand Expose' answered a few questions, but largely kicked the can down the road on most. One couldn't help feeling that the few individuals who ended up being most praised in that piece, knew precisely what actually happened, but didn't think that story needed to be in the news.
So, ignoring my sensible advice to myself to research before spouting:
I guess Patient #1, the very charismatic popular super spreader who escaped Sokha Hotel quarantine, was already pictured on a great many VIP Facebook pages in the 48 hrs following her escape. It took that long to get the test results, find out she had skipped the hotel, and get a good clear picture of her by linking her name, passport photo, and the immigration picture they took over a day earlier at the airport.
Someone not so high up, considered publishing that full face picture, but someone slightly higher, who was investigating how she and (how many?) others absconded from a big well lit hotel, and realized she must have had help from important people. Flying in on a private jet might have been a slight clue as well. Anyway, they didn't want to risk embarrassing all the VIP's she had been hanging with, so her picture vanished and the story morphed.
Or, maybe she wasn't a Chinese 'working girl' at all, but an intelligent engaging woman with high political and economic connections in more than one Asian country. Someone deserving of protection at all costs.
Or,...
Mr Smelly Gas,
I forget, but believe your version is right. However, anyway, let's face it, many details about the Feb 20 Event were left hidden and obscure. I too find this curious. It would be better for me to go back and research the early days of this Event before writing, but I'm not sure the original story holds water. It always felt quite incomplete, breaking news, details not yet inand I just expected the holes would be filled in over time. They never were. The Khmer Times grand Expose' answered a few questions, but largely kicked the can down the road on most. One couldn't help feeling that the few individuals who ended up being most praised in that piece, knew precisely what actually happened, but didn't think that story needed to be in the news.
So, ignoring my sensible advice to myself to research before spouting:
I guess Patient #1, the very charismatic popular super spreader who escaped Sokha Hotel quarantine, was already pictured on a great many VIP Facebook pages in the 48 hrs following her escape. It took that long to get the test results, find out she had skipped the hotel, and get a good clear picture of her by linking her name, passport photo, and the immigration picture they took over a day earlier at the airport.
Someone not so high up, considered publishing that full face picture, but someone slightly higher, who was investigating how she and (how many?) others absconded from a big well lit hotel, and realized she must have had help from important people. Flying in on a private jet might have been a slight clue as well. Anyway, they didn't want to risk embarrassing all the VIP's she had been hanging with, so her picture vanished and the story morphed.
Or, maybe she wasn't a Chinese 'working girl' at all, but an intelligent engaging woman with high political and economic connections in more than one Asian country. Someone deserving of protection at all costs.
Or,...
Wrong understand. It was an exit test.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:23 pmThe bit in bold.v12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:04 pmWhat changed: The quarantine escape on/around Feb 7, escalating in the Feb 20 event.
However, this got only detected AFTER somebody got PCR tested to go back to China.
In that period, nobody did seem to have reported about being sick.
So, it is certainly not certain yet, there are no other Covid-19 clusters in Cambodia.
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20 cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
Is that accurate?
Surely it was detected when the Covid test on entry was done and they went on the second or third day to report the results they discovered that they had skipped quarantine.
Then they were waiting for them on day 12 when they came back to do the second test. I expect that they were looking for them in the interim week or so, but finding a certain Chinawoman in Cambodia is no small task...
Have I understood incorrectly?
Although if my version is right, why they didn't release names and pictures to the public as soon as they were in the wind is beyond me.
According a press release on AKP.com.kh, it was a Chinese woman returning to China, who came to NIPH for her travel PCR test, which did trigger the whole.
See: AKP
And her infection was pretty fast traced back to the ladies, escaping the quarantine. No message, whether this export lady was the same as one of the escaping ones.
What changed is they began to test more people: more tests - more cases.
The more important question is why they began to test more.
Even more importantly, this is all a storm in a teacup, especially for countries like Cambodia where most population are youngsters and few would have noticed this virus there if it wasn’t advertised from every outlet like it’s an existential problem for humanity.
Countries seem to have divided into the ones that have been backing off from the initial hysteria and the ones that are doubling down on it. The latter group cannot be that insane, it is humanly impossible. Which brings observers to conclusions that this is some kind of agenda.
And why not have an agenda? If i were a ruler, seeing how people are easily scared into submission i would capitalize on those gains as much as possible. Scare them more, endlessly, until they come crawling asking for protection, give them new strict laws for “their own safety” and enjoy new feodalism while laughing asses off with your ruling buddies. In the past, rulers would scare people into submission by beating. Nowadays it is enough to run media platforms and people are your slaves, they believe everything with no fact checking whatsoever, no common sense is applied.
The more important question is why they began to test more.
Even more importantly, this is all a storm in a teacup, especially for countries like Cambodia where most population are youngsters and few would have noticed this virus there if it wasn’t advertised from every outlet like it’s an existential problem for humanity.
Countries seem to have divided into the ones that have been backing off from the initial hysteria and the ones that are doubling down on it. The latter group cannot be that insane, it is humanly impossible. Which brings observers to conclusions that this is some kind of agenda.
And why not have an agenda? If i were a ruler, seeing how people are easily scared into submission i would capitalize on those gains as much as possible. Scare them more, endlessly, until they come crawling asking for protection, give them new strict laws for “their own safety” and enjoy new feodalism while laughing asses off with your ruling buddies. In the past, rulers would scare people into submission by beating. Nowadays it is enough to run media platforms and people are your slaves, they believe everything with no fact checking whatsoever, no common sense is applied.
If there were'nt escapes, this shit wouldnt be happening.
Stop the escapes by whatever means.
Put guards in that arent going to be corrupted or conned.
Use fit for purpose facilities.
Stop the escapes by whatever means.
Put guards in that arent going to be corrupted or conned.
Use fit for purpose facilities.
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That may be at odds with the Khmer Times 'exposé'v12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:31 pmWrong understand. It was an exit test.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:23 pmThe bit in bold.v12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:04 pmWhat changed: The quarantine escape on/around Feb 7, escalating in the Feb 20 event.
However, this got only detected AFTER somebody got PCR tested to go back to China.
In that period, nobody did seem to have reported about being sick.
So, it is certainly not certain yet, there are no other Covid-19 clusters in Cambodia.
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20 cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
Is that accurate?
Surely it was detected when the Covid test on entry was done and they went on the second or third day to report the results they discovered that they had skipped quarantine.
Then they were waiting for them on day 12 when they came back to do the second test. I expect that they were looking for them in the interim week or so, but finding a certain Chinawoman in Cambodia is no small task...
Have I understood incorrectly?
Although if my version is right, why they didn't release names and pictures to the public as soon as they were in the wind is beyond me.
According a press release on AKP.com.kh, it was a Chinese woman returning to China, who came to NIPH for her travel PCR test, which did trigger the whole.
See: AKP
And her infection was pretty fast traced back to the ladies, escaping the quarantine. No message, whether this export lady was the same as one of the escaping ones.
But who knows what happened, I guess it will never fully come out.
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There's also the chance that she tested negative on arrival, and then on her 14 day test she tested positive, and then they found out she had left the hotel, right? I mean, the 14 days is there for a reason, because you can arrive and test negative, but then on the following test show to be positive - hence all of the 2 week quarantines around the world.
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This virus is tricky, as the rest of the world has found out. Cambodia entering only first wave, other countries are entering their third.
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