Check out all the good work TYDA doing in the local press. Look into TYDA a little and make your own conclusions.Guest9999 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:57 pmSorry, violet, to go off on a tangent in the middle of your very interesting and promising thread, but this related tangent is kind of interesting too.
Mr Smelly Gas,
I forget, but believe your version is right. However, anyway, let's face it, many details about the Feb 20 Event were left hidden and obscure. I too find this curious. It would be better for me to go back and research the early days of this Event before writing, but I'm not sure the original story holds water. It always felt quite incomplete, breaking news, details not yet inand I just expected the holes would be filled in over time. They never were. The Khmer Times grand Expose' answered a few questions, but largely kicked the can down the road on most. One couldn't help feeling that the few individuals who ended up being most praised in that piece, knew precisely what actually happened, but didn't think that story needed to be in the news.
So, ignoring my sensible advice to myself to research before spouting:
I guess Patient #1, the very charismatic popular super spreader who escaped Sokha Hotel quarantine, was already pictured on a great many VIP Facebook pages in the 48 hrs following her escape. It took that long to get the test results, find out she had skipped the hotel, and get a good clear picture of her by linking her name, passport photo, and the immigration picture they took over a day earlier at the airport.
Someone not so high up, considered publishing that full face picture, but someone slightly higher, who was investigating how she and (how many?) others absconded from a big well lit hotel, and realized she must have had help from important people. Flying in on a private jet might have been a slight clue as well. Anyway, they didn't want to risk embarrassing all the VIP's she had been hanging with, so her picture vanished and the story morphed.
Or, maybe she wasn't a Chinese 'working girl' at all, but an intelligent engaging woman with high political and economic connections in more than one Asian country. Someone deserving of protection at all costs.
Or,...
Covid 19 in Cambodia - what changed?
Yes, probably something like that, must be so, because the message was, the 2 of them fled the quarantine after 2 days or so. IF the entry test had been positive, they had been hospitalized before being able to flee.Miguelito wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:50 amThere's also the chance that she tested negative on arrival, and then on her 14 day test she tested positive, and then they found out she had left the hotel, right? I mean, the 14 days is there for a reason, because you can arrive and test negative, but then on the following test show to be positive - hence all of the 2 week quarantines around the world.
Though note, they could be spreaders before the PCR test shows being infected.
I do read a high Trumpie style denial and conspiracy theories mixed with social media spying tactics in this. Grow up.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:17 amWhat changed is they began to test more people: more tests - more cases.
The more important question is why they began to test more.
Even more importantly, this is all a storm in a teacup, especially for countries like Cambodia where most population are youngsters and few would have noticed this virus there if it wasn’t advertised from every outlet like it’s an existential problem for humanity.
Countries seem to have divided into the ones that have been backing off from the initial hysteria and the ones that are doubling down on it. The latter group cannot be that insane, it is humanly impossible. Which brings observers to conclusions that this is some kind of agenda.
And why not have an agenda? If i were a ruler, seeing how people are easily scared into submission i would capitalize on those gains as much as possible. Scare them more, endlessly, until they come crawling asking for protection, give them new strict laws for “their own safety” and enjoy new feodalism while laughing asses off with your ruling buddies. In the past, rulers would scare people into submission by beating. Nowadays it is enough to run media platforms and people are your slaves, they believe everything with no fact checking whatsoever, no common sense is applied.
More testing: Yep, because there were reasons for that.
No hysteria, Covid-19 is real and became a pandemic, because of the initial denials (if political China had been more willing to listen to the doctors, Covid-19 probably would have died out just likes SARS-1, before it could spread world-wide).
And your Agenda is one big mess of chaos. Get your act together, and you find out the world is different. You have to do quite a lot to influence people like that. The biggest sign of that is, when the free press starts complaining (see how Trumpie got treated).
I agree on that, though the AKP notices around this, are not that much favorable covering up what happened (and I don't think, there is a real need for name and shame at the individual level).ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:22 am......
That may be at odds with the Khmer Times 'exposé'
But who knows what happened, I guess it will never fully come out.
V12, why does Trump need to be mentioned every time when someone opposes the party line? I am not even a US citizen, never been, never will be. Both American parties are no difference to me. Most people are pre-programmed to vote for one or the other. Voting does not work, if it did, they would have banned it. Said my Mark Twain in the 19th century. It’s all just a circus, i couldn’t care less.
What i care about though is that they take away freedom, and whoever takes away less freedom is automatically better in my eyes, not necessarily i side with their views.
There is a mental pandemic going on, this is real. This has economic consequences. They are diluting purchasing power of currency by printing more and more to put out economic fires. Some expats wonder why their pensions buy less and less remembering what they could afford 10 years ago. Expect these effects to accelerate now. They try to fight nature, nature will prevail but economy will be the victim of this futile battle. And that won’t be pretty.
US is losing leadership on all fronts. Countries around the world have no reason to uphold any slightest resemblance of democracy after western “democracies” have so rudely trampled on their citizens’ basic human rights in 2020-21.
/rant
What i care about though is that they take away freedom, and whoever takes away less freedom is automatically better in my eyes, not necessarily i side with their views.
There is a mental pandemic going on, this is real. This has economic consequences. They are diluting purchasing power of currency by printing more and more to put out economic fires. Some expats wonder why their pensions buy less and less remembering what they could afford 10 years ago. Expect these effects to accelerate now. They try to fight nature, nature will prevail but economy will be the victim of this futile battle. And that won’t be pretty.
US is losing leadership on all fronts. Countries around the world have no reason to uphold any slightest resemblance of democracy after western “democracies” have so rudely trampled on their citizens’ basic human rights in 2020-21.
/rant
To put this in a different perspective, I live in Florida, which is widely considered a Covid 19 hotspot that did next to nothing to curb the spread. I can count the number of people that I know who have had COVID on 1 hand (2 hands if you include out of state, but that is out of scope because Florida has 22 million or so residents making it an apples to apples comparison to Cambodia in away), and my neighbors down the street work in the ER and have told me that they are not much busier than usual and never were throughout 2020.
The truth is that without all of the media attention, I would barely know about Covid 19, and I live in a so called hot spot. Meat heads are packing the bars and beaches every day and there is no visible emergency. Rednecks in my area were not wearing masks in big box stores like Lowes and Walmart, and yet without the media, there would be very few visible signs of a pandemic. It is very possible that without a free press and with such a young population, that Cambodia has had community spread all along that essentially went unnoticed. The February incident was possibly the first super spreader event in Cambodia, which changed the game, but I doubt it was the first cluster of cases. It was just the first one that got attention.
The truth is that without all of the media attention, I would barely know about Covid 19, and I live in a so called hot spot. Meat heads are packing the bars and beaches every day and there is no visible emergency. Rednecks in my area were not wearing masks in big box stores like Lowes and Walmart, and yet without the media, there would be very few visible signs of a pandemic. It is very possible that without a free press and with such a young population, that Cambodia has had community spread all along that essentially went unnoticed. The February incident was possibly the first super spreader event in Cambodia, which changed the game, but I doubt it was the first cluster of cases. It was just the first one that got attention.
v12 simply meant some of what was said sounds quite like a conspiracy theory. Who knows what Trump actually believed, but when he let his mouth run (e.g. whenever he opened it) lots of conspiracy theories came tumbling out.
Yes, the economic fallout of all the worlds assorted shutdowns ARE a big deal. And certainly yes, the world could have done much better in its response to the Pandemic. I think v12 just has little time for those who claim the whole pandemic is a hoax.
(Just ask 1,000,000 doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, grave diggers and scientists across 150 countries if Covid is a total hoax. If 94% give one answer, that is probably correct. Bill Gates and George Soros, together with a 400ib man on a couch, are not putting shrimp tails in their chips to control their minds.)
Big intrusive Gov vs small more free Gov? That is an important argument to have, but I'm not sure a thread about Covid finally increasing in Cambodia is the very best place for it.
Yes, the economic fallout of all the worlds assorted shutdowns ARE a big deal. And certainly yes, the world could have done much better in its response to the Pandemic. I think v12 just has little time for those who claim the whole pandemic is a hoax.
(Just ask 1,000,000 doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, grave diggers and scientists across 150 countries if Covid is a total hoax. If 94% give one answer, that is probably correct. Bill Gates and George Soros, together with a 400ib man on a couch, are not putting shrimp tails in their chips to control their minds.)
Big intrusive Gov vs small more free Gov? That is an important argument to have, but I'm not sure a thread about Covid finally increasing in Cambodia is the very best place for it.
There is a world of difference between “covid increasing in Cambodia” and “they are now finding more cases because they now began to test more”. That was my whole point. No need to have Trump involved on this tiny matter. Somehow, every time someone mentions a viewpoint different from mainstream, a “vigilante” American jumps in and calls out Trump. Wtf? This is beyond ridiculous. Oh, and Bill Gates into the mix with a chip in the vaccine. The world is black and white, republicans vs democrats. No thinking involved. Just follow one or the other. No third opinion is allowed. North Korea has more brain activity.
Simple third opinion, confirmed by statistical data in many countries over the past year is when they conduct more testing, they find more cases. If Cambodia bothered to test for the virus one year ago at least as much as they do now, they’d get more used to it and wouldn’t freak out. There is nothing to freak out about anyways for young Cambodia, this was my other point. Whoever keeps bringing politics into this, will get a special treatment in hell, if it exists. Because politics is dirty dirty business and real people suffer from it.
Simple third opinion, confirmed by statistical data in many countries over the past year is when they conduct more testing, they find more cases. If Cambodia bothered to test for the virus one year ago at least as much as they do now, they’d get more used to it and wouldn’t freak out. There is nothing to freak out about anyways for young Cambodia, this was my other point. Whoever keeps bringing politics into this, will get a special treatment in hell, if it exists. Because politics is dirty dirty business and real people suffer from it.
I don’t know .. DJ Boom died from Corona yesterday at 38Guest wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:43 amThere is nothing to freak out about anyways for young Cambodia, this was my other point.
How many children will become chronically ill for life because their parents can’t provide enough quality nutrition to them in their young age because economy is getting wrecked? Nobody will bother to count and publish because it is automatically a conspiracy to question mainstream opinion in some black-n-white view of the world brains.
“The average age at death for those who died with Covid-19 in Scotland was 79 for men and 84 for women.” Quoting a bbc link that popped up first.
There will always be an odd case of someone younger. Usually they have serious chronic health issues. And excess weight is definitely one of these issues. Have you seen recommendations to go exercise more vs staying inside in a lockdown which does nothing but degrade health even more? I mean, it is not rocket science, but the narrative is tightly controlled. Whoever does not see this need their eyes, ears and brain checked.
There will always be an odd case of someone younger. Usually they have serious chronic health issues. And excess weight is definitely one of these issues. Have you seen recommendations to go exercise more vs staying inside in a lockdown which does nothing but degrade health even more? I mean, it is not rocket science, but the narrative is tightly controlled. Whoever does not see this need their eyes, ears and brain checked.
I don’t think the poor give a second thought about the rich. They just survive.Fred Edwards wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:39 pmNo change for the poor they're still being shafted by the rich.
It’s only westerners (and a small minority of educated, usually younger generation, locals) who raise awareness.
If anything the vast majority of Cambodians look up to and revere the elite and wealthy.
Some want to emulate them.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
Agreed! Copycats of most of SE Asia.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:29 amI don’t think the poor give a second thought about the rich. They just survive.Fred Edwards wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:39 pmNo change for the poor they're still being shafted by the rich.
It’s only westerners (and a small minority of educated, usually younger generation, locals) who raise awareness.
If anything the vast majority of Cambodians look up to and revere the elite and wealthy.
Some want to emulate them.
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Quite possibly the transmission rate is just as high as anywhere else, but the test-detection rate is lower due to asymptomatic cases left untested, or the lack of contact tracing resources, and/or laziness of young contactees to report for tests, plus (Brigadier) General Ineptitude ...v12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:04 pmWhat changed...
And it is also strange, that the Feb 20i cluster did not spread out that far, while being undetected & not reported.
With some 3 weeks between initial event and detection, and a regular R0>2.5, it would have resulted in 10K+ infections, which we do not see.
So, there are reasons to assume, the R0 in Cambodia is much lower than elsewhere in the world, except seemingly for people living in an Aircon-bubble.
Who really knows how many have been infected...?
(Also, to the guest poster suggesting that the higher powers have an "agenda" to further subdue the masses by suspiciously and "deliberately" broadcasting caution: eff-off, idiot, and take your unvaccinated kids back home, wherever!)
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