Fear of vaccination
Been in England during this whole media driven hype-train and have only put on a mask once, to go inside a bank. Nobody has said much, and I really don't give a f*ck, I guess working out and walking with confidence helps. Not getting the vax, smoking primo bud on a basis, and managed to get loaded from the stock market...lol thanks covid.
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So what? Cambodia, like Thailand, is ass-backwards in every possible way... A "police state" of Covid is hardly any different from a "police state" of exploitative expats.
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
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This “pandemic” will be over when people stop giving a fuck. Historically, SEA countries are not known for paying little attention to authorities. But peoples that have started ignoring scaremongering are witnessing that authorities tone down already.
Speaking from experience of living in one of such countries. People have stopped wearing masks here long ago and this has not affected infection rates compared to countries with strict lockdowns and other human rights violations.
Unsurprisingly, cases began going down in the past few weeks here which cannot be explained by vaccinations as only a small number of people are willing to be vaccinated. This can be explained by seasonality of the virus consistent with regular colds and flus and high probability of half the population already immune naturally through disease. And no, people didn’t drop like flies as a precursor to that. Which easily puts the global advertised death rate per million into the category of lies. People simply do not see evidence of danger. TV scaremongering can only do so much.
But asian countries may be different. Populations there have historically been more subservient to authority and this sad situation will last longer in those nations.
TLDR: vaccinations will not stop the “pandemic”. It will stop when people stop giving a fuck.
Speaking from experience of living in one of such countries. People have stopped wearing masks here long ago and this has not affected infection rates compared to countries with strict lockdowns and other human rights violations.
Unsurprisingly, cases began going down in the past few weeks here which cannot be explained by vaccinations as only a small number of people are willing to be vaccinated. This can be explained by seasonality of the virus consistent with regular colds and flus and high probability of half the population already immune naturally through disease. And no, people didn’t drop like flies as a precursor to that. Which easily puts the global advertised death rate per million into the category of lies. People simply do not see evidence of danger. TV scaremongering can only do so much.
But asian countries may be different. Populations there have historically been more subservient to authority and this sad situation will last longer in those nations.
TLDR: vaccinations will not stop the “pandemic”. It will stop when people stop giving a fuck.
By the way, it increasingly looks that Thai authorities have realized futility of trying to stop the wind and do not give a fuck any more. Despite over 1000 cases in just one day there are no plans to introduce a national lockdown. Compare to last year when the country was shut down for a hundred cases.
Which is good, it proves that they can learn from mistakes (vs dumb ones, like some European nations that keep doing the same expecting different results, - a definition of insanity, - or agenda). But learning from mistakes does not ensure admitting those mistakes publicly - this would make a massive face loss. However, actions speak louder than any words.
Let’s see how Cambodia catches up/copies or doubles down on mistakes.
Which is good, it proves that they can learn from mistakes (vs dumb ones, like some European nations that keep doing the same expecting different results, - a definition of insanity, - or agenda). But learning from mistakes does not ensure admitting those mistakes publicly - this would make a massive face loss. However, actions speak louder than any words.
Let’s see how Cambodia catches up/copies or doubles down on mistakes.
The Guest writing slightly earlier today is quite right: for most people, most of the time Covid-19 is not very dangerous, hardly more dangerous than getting the vaccine, and thus, for themselves, it doesn't make sense to get overly excited about it or become numb with fear.
And, Guest was also correct that natural immunity from having it earlier does slow the diseases progression significantly (and this may also be true of the variant first identified in South Africa).
Probably Guest was also correct that most Countries, e.g. China, were too oppressive in their early (if not initial) responses and thereby failed their citizens in a way Sweden, for example, didn't. Sorry, I know this sarcasm isn't helpful, and I too do feel there has been LOTS of over reaction and hype in troubling ways.
But, though I love the vibe of Brazilians generally, I'm pretty glad right now that I'm in Cambodia and not Brazil.
And, Guest was also correct that natural immunity from having it earlier does slow the diseases progression significantly (and this may also be true of the variant first identified in South Africa).
Probably Guest was also correct that most Countries, e.g. China, were too oppressive in their early (if not initial) responses and thereby failed their citizens in a way Sweden, for example, didn't. Sorry, I know this sarcasm isn't helpful, and I too do feel there has been LOTS of over reaction and hype in troubling ways.
But, though I love the vibe of Brazilians generally, I'm pretty glad right now that I'm in Cambodia and not Brazil.
It is all a global conspiracy to steal your freedumbs like the election.
coming for your guns soon.
coming for your guns soon.
They are stealing them locally. Local politicians with local authoritarian ambitions. Enjoy having to report to your local police every time you go buy a beer.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:03 pmIt is all a global conspiracy to steal your freedumbs like the election.
coming for your guns soon.
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The posters immediately above, like Layne and the "guests" talk like they "know" what is really going on... But if you got the virus and found yourself dying prematurely, I think you would soon change your mind about what it really is, or isn't. The fact remains, that what you personally have "seen" does not matter to the greater reality. Visit any big city with an outbreak and go to the hospital emergency and intensive care wards. You would soon change your tunes... The virus has already decimated one in every six hundred Americans. Maybe that means you don't know one personally, but that does not mean it isn't a serious danger... If you all are so wise just to believe that the media is scaremongering for "something to do" or to support some kind of conspiracy, then you don't understand the world...
What bothers me more is the fact that people think that their subjective opinions are more true than reality. What bothers me the most is that the vaccines are not being produced on any scale to effectively immunize the world. This is due to the above poster's love of the stock market -- which keeps things in the hands of a few powerful owners -- instead of sharing recipes and ramping up production 10 times over... Vaccines could be produced rapidly and quickly diffused globally with open-sharing of production, and also with researchers who could help refine them into better quality products... Instead, it's all about the profits of a few majority shareholders... What bullshit corporate capitalism is...
Also, contrary to what another "guest" suggests above, the epidemic will not be over once people stop talking or thinking about it, either... I don't understand how people can be so ignorant and arrogant as to think that they understand something if they have had no direct experience of it... Why not go talk to someone who has lost loved ones prematurely to the virus for real?
The hubris typical of the "guest" type posters only serves to reveal their basic lack of knowledge and experience... It's no coincidence that this type of person -- with the wisdom of the blind -- hides behind a cloak of anonymity as a "guest" poster, rather than assume an open identity like regular posters with handles. I will wager that these "guests" are also exactly the type who will quickly change colors from a blabbermouth full of bravado into a chickenshit running and stepping over innocents to escape any fatal deluge, should it happen to come closer to their own life and home...
Lamebrains like Layne and the above guests -- you won't talk like you do anymore if you get really sick... And your stock market profits won't help you breathe, lol...
(BTW: Why does 440 allow anonymous guest posters? They always seem to be the biggest idiots and the most arrogant and blind of the blood-sucking zombies on this forum. )
What bothers me more is the fact that people think that their subjective opinions are more true than reality. What bothers me the most is that the vaccines are not being produced on any scale to effectively immunize the world. This is due to the above poster's love of the stock market -- which keeps things in the hands of a few powerful owners -- instead of sharing recipes and ramping up production 10 times over... Vaccines could be produced rapidly and quickly diffused globally with open-sharing of production, and also with researchers who could help refine them into better quality products... Instead, it's all about the profits of a few majority shareholders... What bullshit corporate capitalism is...
Also, contrary to what another "guest" suggests above, the epidemic will not be over once people stop talking or thinking about it, either... I don't understand how people can be so ignorant and arrogant as to think that they understand something if they have had no direct experience of it... Why not go talk to someone who has lost loved ones prematurely to the virus for real?
The hubris typical of the "guest" type posters only serves to reveal their basic lack of knowledge and experience... It's no coincidence that this type of person -- with the wisdom of the blind -- hides behind a cloak of anonymity as a "guest" poster, rather than assume an open identity like regular posters with handles. I will wager that these "guests" are also exactly the type who will quickly change colors from a blabbermouth full of bravado into a chickenshit running and stepping over innocents to escape any fatal deluge, should it happen to come closer to their own life and home...
Lamebrains like Layne and the above guests -- you won't talk like you do anymore if you get really sick... And your stock market profits won't help you breathe, lol...
(BTW: Why does 440 allow anonymous guest posters? They always seem to be the biggest idiots and the most arrogant and blind of the blood-sucking zombies on this forum. )
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"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
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Churchill, who was born very rich, remained rich all his life, and was far from all good, said, (As I was online, I decided to look, seems Churchill was likely not the source of the quote or the idea), "Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head."
Unchecked Global Capitalism has brought us to a shitty place, I hear you Orichá (and liked your post above), but the quote above, whoever said it, does reference a truth. 'From each..., and to each..." beautiful though it sounds, doesn't work well in the real world either. Our species is too lazy, selfish, and greedy, and often enough all of us want to do things that are not in our own self interest, even when we are acting from selfish motives. I guess - please correct me - you think we need to do socialism, but better. I'm not so far away, but I'd say the world needs to greatly limit the bad results of capitalism, while keeping the bits that use human selfishness and greed to good ends. (Easy to write, hard to do.)
You are angry about vaccine inequity, and common epidemiology says best reduction of very contagious pathogens is elimination everywhere. The world for example, couldn't be safer long if Brazil and India stayed, disease wise, where they are
right now: over time, borders, big walls or no, are too porous. The world wins when reduction is global.
Government funded basic research through universities was huge, but don't underestimate how capitalism was able to speed up vaccine development and production. The Donald letting capitalism do its thing by throwing money at the problem worked. Glad to get more adults involved in distribution though.
And, maybe we "Guests" are yet more anonymous than you registered forum users. But I think I would write just as much crap as a forum member as I do now. So there is that. Alexandra was correct in her first criticism of my writing, most readers will skip long self-important texts like the above, thats not what they are here for. Short messages that pop. Not-me guests write them. People read them. Copacetic!
Unchecked Global Capitalism has brought us to a shitty place, I hear you Orichá (and liked your post above), but the quote above, whoever said it, does reference a truth. 'From each..., and to each..." beautiful though it sounds, doesn't work well in the real world either. Our species is too lazy, selfish, and greedy, and often enough all of us want to do things that are not in our own self interest, even when we are acting from selfish motives. I guess - please correct me - you think we need to do socialism, but better. I'm not so far away, but I'd say the world needs to greatly limit the bad results of capitalism, while keeping the bits that use human selfishness and greed to good ends. (Easy to write, hard to do.)
You are angry about vaccine inequity, and common epidemiology says best reduction of very contagious pathogens is elimination everywhere. The world for example, couldn't be safer long if Brazil and India stayed, disease wise, where they are
right now: over time, borders, big walls or no, are too porous. The world wins when reduction is global.
Government funded basic research through universities was huge, but don't underestimate how capitalism was able to speed up vaccine development and production. The Donald letting capitalism do its thing by throwing money at the problem worked. Glad to get more adults involved in distribution though.
And, maybe we "Guests" are yet more anonymous than you registered forum users. But I think I would write just as much crap as a forum member as I do now. So there is that. Alexandra was correct in her first criticism of my writing, most readers will skip long self-important texts like the above, thats not what they are here for. Short messages that pop. Not-me guests write them. People read them. Copacetic!
It is no surprise that people do not want to put their name on comments. People are quite literally getting arrested for opinions at the moment and even in more "liberal" western countries the silicon valley oligarchs will quickly ban comments and posters that question things. Many people have no direct experience with the current censorship so don't fully appreciate how extensive it really is. You can generally identify these types of people when they say things like "why don't you put your full name and address on your comment if you really believe in it".
In my opinion debate about things that affect people's lives should be encouraged regardless of their credentials. Debate often brings forward perspectives that others may have not considered which is why it used to be considered a valuable exercise.
For example there is a study that is acceptable by the current western thinking on Covid policy (you can be assured of this because it actually shows up on the first page of a google search) that shows the ideal public policy approach is to use cooperative policy and not coercive actions. Beyond that, Covid is not the only bad thing that happens in the world. Just like any other problem it is not always easy to decide what the best course of action to mitigate the problem should be and often times there are unintended consequences.
I'd also suggest considering other points of view. If you were a construction worker with 2 or 3 small kids to feed and living paycheck to paycheck in a country with no social safety net, what would you consider your biggest risk? Covid is probably no more dangerous to that person than going to work on a construction site and the kids have virtually no risk from Covid. Not having enough food for the kids is a much greater problem.
In my opinion debate about things that affect people's lives should be encouraged regardless of their credentials. Debate often brings forward perspectives that others may have not considered which is why it used to be considered a valuable exercise.
For example there is a study that is acceptable by the current western thinking on Covid policy (you can be assured of this because it actually shows up on the first page of a google search) that shows the ideal public policy approach is to use cooperative policy and not coercive actions. Beyond that, Covid is not the only bad thing that happens in the world. Just like any other problem it is not always easy to decide what the best course of action to mitigate the problem should be and often times there are unintended consequences.
I'd also suggest considering other points of view. If you were a construction worker with 2 or 3 small kids to feed and living paycheck to paycheck in a country with no social safety net, what would you consider your biggest risk? Covid is probably no more dangerous to that person than going to work on a construction site and the kids have virtually no risk from Covid. Not having enough food for the kids is a much greater problem.
I haven’t read through the 18 pages, but on the first page I see talk about mandates for employment. I am curious what to do if someone really is at risk with high blood pressure and a history of anyphlaxis like myself. I have already had a medical emergency because of an adverse reaction and I sure as hell am not going back for a booster.
But if the idea is to mandate workers to get the jab then I am out of a job, simple as that.
What is going to be the consensus about employment on conditions of vaccination here? I have no problem explaining myself to a legit doc, and carry my exemption papers all the time, as well as wearing my mask and all that, but I don’t want to risk another episode of passing out and requiring emergency assistance, not in this country.
But if the idea is to mandate workers to get the jab then I am out of a job, simple as that.
What is going to be the consensus about employment on conditions of vaccination here? I have no problem explaining myself to a legit doc, and carry my exemption papers all the time, as well as wearing my mask and all that, but I don’t want to risk another episode of passing out and requiring emergency assistance, not in this country.
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Great point. But i'll let you into a little secret.Guest wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:51 amIt is no surprise that people do not want to put their name on comments. People are quite literally getting arrested for opinions at the moment and even in more "liberal" western countries the silicon valley oligarchs will quickly ban comments and posters that question things.
ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ is not my real name.
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