Have Authorities Stopped FB Group Posts?
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There is a "small" difference between all those parties you recognize and FB/Google. The latter are spread out that much on the Internet, that they catch you on everything you do, where ever you are (of course, unless you block them off completely, using something like pi-hole or blokada).YaTingPom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:10 pmCompanies have been selling your personal info for decades. If you’ve ever had a bank, utilities, insurance, mortgage, owned a business, had your name anywhere and even an email linked to blogs, newsletters or Yahoo groups your details will be sold to the highest bidder.
The only difference now is it’s self perpetuating - FB etc sell your details, likes, follows etc and then those people advertise their products on FB.
Don’t think for a minute it’s been any different “when you were a lad” unless you live in a cave, or Grimsby.
Your insurance company only knows what you "visit" on their website.
There are reasons why insurance companies have large departments to "help" you find information about insurance topics. That way, they can profile your risk.
For example: Have a house insurance, look around on their website for cancer treatments, their reimbursements, etc. And when you subsequently ask them a quote for a medical insurance, you get denied. Guess why. NEVER mix these things up.
My point is even if you never use the internet there’s a plethora of information about you.v12 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:39 pmThere is a "small" difference between all those parties you recognize and FB/Google. The latter are spread out that much on the Internet, that they catch you on everything you do, where ever you are (of course, unless you block them off completely, using something like pi-hole or blokada).YaTingPom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:10 pmCompanies have been selling your personal info for decades. If you’ve ever had a bank, utilities, insurance, mortgage, owned a business, had your name anywhere and even an email linked to blogs, newsletters or Yahoo groups your details will be sold to the highest bidder.
The only difference now is it’s self perpetuating - FB etc sell your details, likes, follows etc and then those people advertise their products on FB.
Don’t think for a minute it’s been any different “when you were a lad” unless you live in a cave, or Grimsby.
Your insurance company only knows what you "visit" on their website.
There are reasons why insurance companies have large departments to "help" you find information about insurance topics. That way, they can profile your risk.
For example: Have a house insurance, look around on their website for cancer treatments, their reimbursements, etc. And when you subsequently ask them a quote for a medical insurance, you get denied. Guess why. NEVER mix these things up.
It’s called “clean data”. Even ‘clean’ (as in current) emails are worth money.
Begs the question, who cares?
Not me. It’s inevitable.
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And on occasion it's even useful.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:59 amMy point is even if you never use the internet there’s a plethora of information about you.v12 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:39 pmThere is a "small" difference between all those parties you recognize and FB/Google. The latter are spread out that much on the Internet, that they catch you on everything you do, where ever you are (of course, unless you block them off completely, using something like pi-hole or blokada).YaTingPom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:10 pmCompanies have been selling your personal info for decades. If you’ve ever had a bank, utilities, insurance, mortgage, owned a business, had your name anywhere and even an email linked to blogs, newsletters or Yahoo groups your details will be sold to the highest bidder.
The only difference now is it’s self perpetuating - FB etc sell your details, likes, follows etc and then those people advertise their products on FB.
Don’t think for a minute it’s been any different “when you were a lad” unless you live in a cave, or Grimsby.
Your insurance company only knows what you "visit" on their website.
There are reasons why insurance companies have large departments to "help" you find information about insurance topics. That way, they can profile your risk.
For example: Have a house insurance, look around on their website for cancer treatments, their reimbursements, etc. And when you subsequently ask them a quote for a medical insurance, you get denied. Guess why. NEVER mix these things up.
It’s called “clean data”. Even ‘clean’ (as in current) emails are worth money.
Begs the question, who cares?
Not me. It’s inevitable.
If you want to buy something uncommon in Cambodia and don't know where to get it then do a few Facebook searches.
Within a few hours you will be provided with Facebook adverts of local sellers.
If nothing else it helps you get a baseline of expected price.
It saves you having to go onto groups or message boards with 'where to buy' requests.
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Yes, there is, though because it is spread out over a huge number of parties who do not share that data, it's largely irrelevant. FB/Google is different, there all the information is accumulated in just 2 big information owners. And given their size each, will influence whatever you do online. For example targeted information, so you only get the info they want to show to you. Which looks admirable (ehhh helpful) at a first glance, though is effectively a worrying situation, when these tech companies control the information you get.
Think about how Russia managed to influence just a few percent of the US population, back in 2016, with just some USD 100K in Facebook advertising, to vote for Trumpie. This being sufficient to "land-slide" the election outcome.
Yep, at the surface it looks very useful, people start to believe that.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:44 am......
And on occasion it's even useful.
If you want to buy something uncommon in Cambodia and don't know where to get it then do a few Facebook searches.
Within a few hours you will be provided with Facebook adverts of local sellers.
If nothing else it helps you get a baseline of expected price.
It saves you having to go onto groups or message boards with 'where to buy' requests.
Though, you can be sure, you only get the results, for which Facebook earns money. Not the results, which are the best for you. So, it could very well be, the supplier, just around the corner is omitted, and you have to go the other side of the town to purchase what you want. Or, you miss the brand/type, you actually wanted, and only got a secondary choice product presented.
What you get presented is what suppliers pay Facebook to present, which does not have to be (and often will not be) your best choice. Not to say, the first results are often just "pushy" results and not the once you need.
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Oh my goodness you are tedious.
At least you haven't brought trumpie into it!
As with any advertising the consumer has a choice to purchase or not. You don't have to buy anything.
You are complaining that the results you might get (for free) are not exactly what you might want. I'd suggest some relevant results are more useful than none.
And you don't even use the bloody thing yet you are an expert about it.
At least you haven't brought trumpie into it!
As with any advertising the consumer has a choice to purchase or not. You don't have to buy anything.
You are complaining that the results you might get (for free) are not exactly what you might want. I'd suggest some relevant results are more useful than none.
And you don't even use the bloody thing yet you are an expert about it.
You can opt-out of personalized ads on Facebook and Google.
Yeah, that's the output side. They just keep on collecting whatever you do, profile you and whenever you "ask" them something (or they think, they need to suggest you something), that profile is being used.
That "ads" aren't the issue. The issue is the tracking and profiling.
Actually, for the business I do run in .eu, those "suggestions" are wrong. I am looking for the things, which aren't obvious/main-stream. Sometimes, the suggestions are that numerous, it is very difficult to find what I am looking for. I put in relevant words and the search engine returns something that looks like that, because somebody pays the search engine. And the extra words I give are largely ignored.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:15 pmOh my goodness you are tedious.
At least you haven't brought trumpie into it!
As with any advertising the consumer has a choice to purchase or not. You don't have to buy anything.
You are complaining that the results you might get (for free) are not exactly what you might want. I'd suggest some relevant results are more useful than none.
And you don't even use the bloody thing yet you are an expert about it.
And the general tendency of your writing shows, you have no idea about the consequences of the profiling. Even worse, how it can and is being abused, simply because there are people prepared to pay for that abuse.
By simply constantly telling people "a story", people start to believe that story. We have seen that with Trumpie his continuous "stolen election" lies, how this turns into brainless mobs who are prepared to do everything to follow their leader. That was also the way, Hitler became popular some 90 years ago. It's called propaganda. Keep on repeating the lies at such a high volume, that contrary information gets lost in the haystack.
Most people have no idea what propaganda does do towards the masses who -think- they can decide themselves. Not.....
There are reasons Google/FB/Twatter/etc are so vague with their answers to the Congress: They try to hide the real motives behind the profile/tracking mechanisms. That's big, no, that's huge money at the scale they do these things.
FB, Google, AliExpress, Twitter all sell their data. It’s worth billions.v12 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:09 amYes, there is, though because it is spread out over a huge number of parties who do not share that data, it's largely irrelevant. FB/Google is different, there all the information is accumulated in just 2 big information owners. And given their size each, will influence whatever you do online. For example targeted information, so you only get the info they want to show to you. Which looks admirable (ehhh helpful) at a first glance, though is effectively a worrying situation, when these tech companies control the information you get.
Think about how Russia managed to influence just a few percent of the US population, back in 2016, with just some USD 100K in Facebook advertising, to vote for Trumpie. This being sufficient to "land-slide" the election outcome.
Yes I know they said they don’t but they do using some unscrupulous third parties.
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You could use computers like Richard Stallman. That solves all these problems.
https://lwn.net/Articles/262570/For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I
also have not net connection much of the time.) To look at page I
send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me.
It is very efficient use of my time, but it is slow in real time.
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On a separate thread when you were looking for daily covid numbers you told us that you didn't use Facebook.
Now you do and you know all about it. Interesting.
Now you do and you know all about it. Interesting.
There we go. All is well with the world again. V12 brings 'trumpie' into an unrelated thread.We have seen that with Trumpie his...
The pro/con arguments in this threat sound like the one's i hear about the AstraZeneca vaccine all the time. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BT22E I.E. the benefits (using social media) outhweight the risks. I beg to differ and future generations might not fall into the same trap.
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