Syphilis and Jack Daniels do have that effect on some...YaTingPom wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:46 amMaybe you did meet them types but your brain cells are destroyed as well?Felgerkarb wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:05 pmI was here in those days and I read the book. I cannot attest to much he talks about other than the general feel. I have no idea who the people are in the book, I apparently didn't know anyone "cool"...I was too busy working and destroying my own personal life to be bothered!
Off the rails in Phnom Penh
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Certainly agree it was like that by 2003, but not when Martinis was over at the Continental.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:39 amI never went to Shanghai till about 2005 so I don't know about there but Martinis and Sharkys seemed to have fairly mature women around, as in veterans rather than teenagers.
Shanghai wasn't always a clip-joint, and when it opened the staff were just barmaids not 'hostesses'. The Vietnamese girls sat at booths towards the back as you entered. I was approached by the mamasan and offered one for the night. When she walked away the Khmer girl who had served me made it clear that she disapproved. Too young she said with a black face, indicating one of the girls. I asked how old and she said Fifteen.
Even allowing room for exaggeration, given the antipathy between the Khmers and the Vietnamese it was a potential powder keg. Consider the 'Khmer strike' at Sharkys. Both bars mended their ways.
On the veracity of Off the Rails I'd compare the memoir Papillon. The opinion of most historians appears to be that 100% of what he described happened, maybe 30% of it happening to him. Perhaps he was an orderly in the prison hospital and collected stories. Nonetheless, it publicised how it really was Devil's Island at that time and the French government didn't like it. And it did contribute to change.
There is no hard and fast distinction between history and fiction in a narrative format. Anyone who has been here for a while has stories that they would hesitate to include in a novel for fear they would be dismissed as unbelievable.
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I was at the one by the Intercon a few times. I don't remember it being much different to the last one on St 95. Just lots of often slightly ragged looking women, I didn't notice anyone particularly young-looking.MaxB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:53 amCertainly agree it was like that by 2003, but not when Martinis was over at the Continental.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:39 amI never went to Shanghai till about 2005 so I don't know about there but Martinis and Sharkys seemed to have fairly mature women around, as in veterans rather than teenagers.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Yep, I was John from Canada in Koh Kong at the end of the bookGuest wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:27 pmAnyone of you in the book? Maybe reply as guest if you are.
At least there wasn’t ice back then.
That’s cool. If I remember correctly you were a good guy who smoked weed constantly?
Correct. I was nervous when the book first came out because my friends had told me they were sure the character was me, and I didn't remember anyone coming to visit who was an author. I can vouch though that Amit did spend that time with me in Koh Kong, but he never revealed to me that he was writing a book. And hey, if you lived that close to the Thai border in 1996 you'd smoke a lot too. God knows there was fuck all else to do in town.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:42 pmThat’s cool. If I remember correctly you were a good guy who smoked weed constantly?
What was he like amit? Nice guy orRightLeg wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:10 amCorrect. I was nervous when the book first came out because my friends had told me they were sure the character was me, and I didn't remember anyone coming to visit who was an author. I can vouch though that Amit did spend that time with me in Koh Kong, but he never revealed to me that he was writing a book. And hey, if you lived that close to the Thai border in 1996 you'd smoke a lot too. God knows there was fuck all else to do in town.Guest wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:42 pmThat’s cool. If I remember correctly you were a good guy who smoked weed constantly?
Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:59 amWhat is the Continental? Martini always been on St.95 till the closure around 2015. The beginning of the nightlife downfall in Phnom Penh was around 2004, slowly all the wild night venues vanished.MaxB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:53 amCertainly agree it was like that by 2003, but not when Martinis was over at the Continental.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:39 amI never went to Shanghai till about 2005 so I don't know about there but Martinis and Sharkys seemed to have fairly mature women around, as in veterans rather than teenagers.
at the one by the Intercon a few times. I don't remember it being much different to the last one on St 95. Just lots of often slightly ragged looking women, I didn't notice anyone particularly young-looking.
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I don't know how to even reply to such a badly formatted post full of misquotes. Who is saying what?
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
I read Off The Rails when I was travelling through Cambodia in 2003, it blew my mind and came across as Gonzo in SE Asia, I contacted the author around 2012 to enquire about making a film based on the book but found that it would be censored on so many fronts not to mention the political ramifications, it probably wouldn’t be viable.
Apparently he was kicked out if the country and told not to return.
Nevertheless, I personally saw alot of the things in the book even in 2003 and many of the characters I met along the way were not disimilar during my days in the country.
The book’s real strength is the way it successfully binds the Gonzo Expat experience with excellent, pedestrian analysis of Cambodia’s traumatic history.
Easily one the bravest and most-fun reads on Cambodia’s modern history, unforgettable.
Last time I checked Gilboa lived with his wife and kids above a shopping mall in Singapore and was an expert bong drum player and teacher.
Apparently he was kicked out if the country and told not to return.
Nevertheless, I personally saw alot of the things in the book even in 2003 and many of the characters I met along the way were not disimilar during my days in the country.
The book’s real strength is the way it successfully binds the Gonzo Expat experience with excellent, pedestrian analysis of Cambodia’s traumatic history.
Easily one the bravest and most-fun reads on Cambodia’s modern history, unforgettable.
Last time I checked Gilboa lived with his wife and kids above a shopping mall in Singapore and was an expert bong drum player and teacher.
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It was poorly written trash, and didn't have much in common with gonzo at all
Also, I sincerely hope that Amit Gilboa is not left alone with the disabled kids he does his drumming "therapy" sessions with
It was poorly written trash, and didn't have much in common with gonzo at all
Also, I sincerely hope that Amit Gilboa is not left alone with the disabled kids he does his drumming "therapy" sessions with
I mean it's a disgusting book about gross alcoholics boasting about child sex.
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Not sure who wrote this but Martini was at 3 locations. First near the Intercon, then Tuol Svay Prey near the military prison and finally on 95.Slow Delivery wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:03 pmWhat is the Continental? Martini always been on St.95 till the closure around 2015. The beginning of the nightlife downfall in Phnom Penh was around 2004, slowly all the wild night venues vanished.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Always thought most of that book had been loosely based on some of same “barstool tales” I heard back in the late 90s. Poorly written & Gilboas gravitation towards sleazier stuff is painfully obvious, but imo it wasn’t an inaccurate portrayal of what the author went looking to find.
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