Lying about vaccination status
'Millions of people' died from health problems linked to covid, but most of them were elderly. I hate to be cynical, but it seems positive that the baby boomers hawking all the wealth since the sixties have moved on to greener pastures leaving the problems of a crowded world for the younger generations to deal with.
If some mean spirited and selfish older lawyer can't get his steak at the Rosewood in sight of all the poverty without a vaccination card, that only makes me happy.
If some mean spirited and selfish older lawyer can't get his steak at the Rosewood in sight of all the poverty without a vaccination card, that only makes me happy.
Last edited by busybee on Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
Poor hard done by you. You'll be chuffed to hear many baby boomers aren't that wealthy. So back to work, you, and help contribute to my pension.busybee wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:13 am'Millions of people' died from health problems linked to covid, but most of them were elderly. I hate to be cynical, but it seems positive that the baby boomers hawking all the wealth since the sixties have moved on to greener pastures leaving the problems of a crowded world for the younger generations to deal with.
If some mean spirited and selfish older lawyer can't get his steak at the Rosewood in sight of all the poverty without a vaccination card, that only makes me happy.
I don't care as vaccinated people could still carry and spread it. Going out half of the population isn't wearing a mask or stick their nose over the top anyway. When you dine it the mask has to come off at some point and you are at risk. Most staff will stil meet friends or travel home. Wonder how many of them are vaccinated...
If you are healthy just live your life. Only keep in mind the healthcare system here cannot be relied on. I would try Khema or Royal Rattanak and show them insurance.
If you are healthy just live your life. Only keep in mind the healthcare system here cannot be relied on. I would try Khema or Royal Rattanak and show them insurance.
Don't the voluntarily unvaccinated wear their status as a badge of honour? Why would they lie about it?
Why would it be in anyone's interest since contagion is not a factor in vaccination or not. Ditto for rectal cancer.
Here is a truth to keep in mind. Science often gets it wrong, but it tends to self correction.
Like you and me, scientists are just people, and as individuals, they F-up as much as we do. If last year, Fauci F-ked something up, well, humans do. My faith is that the truth above is correct. Science can't say if euthanasia is good or bad, it can't determine if a pill is evil for preventing the implantation of a fertilized human egg. Science might inform anti-vaxers, but it can't morally judge.
Because I am now fully vaccinated and thus less likely to carry a high viral load, if I'm un-lucky enough to catch Covid, I am much less likely to spread it. This is a messy** statistical truth. (A large recent peer reviewed study in Nature, focusing on Israel.) If you fear vaccines, you will focus on the messiness. You will say we have only had vaccines since May, 1796, why take the risk. Tens of millions of scientists think about Covid every day, but like Fauci they are fallible humans, and this virus is new enough that, even if, you believe the truth starting this post, you can rightly argue the science is not yet in.
OK, maybe busybee and I are two sides to the same coin, each arguing with more certainty than current science can support. He (wrongly) stating vaccination has no impact on transmission, so you need not, and me (correctly) saying it has and so you should.
Yet, for ten years in Cambodia I rode motorbikes daily without a helmet. We all do stupid things. I'll support busy bee's freedom to choose, I just wish more science minded anti-vaxers would give more weight to the public health perspective that each Covid susceptible individual is a pathway towards an outbreak, and the more susceptible the bigger the path. Vaccines don't have to fully close the door, to make a difference!
(**Messy on several fronts. One they note in the abstract (all I read 'cause I'm lazy), is that low viral loads might make a huge difference, but the observed, clear, statistical difference is made smaller by human nature: once vaccinated, those individuals grow less careful, more social, and more likely to transmit if they catch it. As busybee might say, "What are you going to do, stay home for ever?")
Like you and me, scientists are just people, and as individuals, they F-up as much as we do. If last year, Fauci F-ked something up, well, humans do. My faith is that the truth above is correct. Science can't say if euthanasia is good or bad, it can't determine if a pill is evil for preventing the implantation of a fertilized human egg. Science might inform anti-vaxers, but it can't morally judge.
Because I am now fully vaccinated and thus less likely to carry a high viral load, if I'm un-lucky enough to catch Covid, I am much less likely to spread it. This is a messy** statistical truth. (A large recent peer reviewed study in Nature, focusing on Israel.) If you fear vaccines, you will focus on the messiness. You will say we have only had vaccines since May, 1796, why take the risk. Tens of millions of scientists think about Covid every day, but like Fauci they are fallible humans, and this virus is new enough that, even if, you believe the truth starting this post, you can rightly argue the science is not yet in.
OK, maybe busybee and I are two sides to the same coin, each arguing with more certainty than current science can support. He (wrongly) stating vaccination has no impact on transmission, so you need not, and me (correctly) saying it has and so you should.
Yet, for ten years in Cambodia I rode motorbikes daily without a helmet. We all do stupid things. I'll support busy bee's freedom to choose, I just wish more science minded anti-vaxers would give more weight to the public health perspective that each Covid susceptible individual is a pathway towards an outbreak, and the more susceptible the bigger the path. Vaccines don't have to fully close the door, to make a difference!
(**Messy on several fronts. One they note in the abstract (all I read 'cause I'm lazy), is that low viral loads might make a huge difference, but the observed, clear, statistical difference is made smaller by human nature: once vaccinated, those individuals grow less careful, more social, and more likely to transmit if they catch it. As busybee might say, "What are you going to do, stay home for ever?")
That's great. Lucky for me, I've been a homebody since my early forties, when I got sick of sitting in a bar and having to strike up a silly conversation with random strangers. Now we have new work for whistleblowers around the corner warning about those Israel-based science fans coming to promote the injection of certain mRNAs into your bloodstream. And then walk down Bassac alley for the double Monsanto burger with cheese and feel you're part of the majority, well done. Let's talk a few years later, and see who's feeling better then. Have a good one. Salute!
Where do you buy your drugs? Asking for a friendbusybee wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:30 amThat's great. Lucky for me, I've been a homebody since my early forties, when I got sick of sitting in a bar and having to strike up a silly conversation with random strangers. Now we have new work for whistleblowers around the corner warning about those Israel-based science fans coming to promote the injection of certain mRNAs into your bloodstream. And then walk down Bassac alley for the double Monsanto burger with cheese and feel you're part of the majority, well done. Let's talk a few years later, and see who's feeling better then. Have a good one. Salute!
In retrospect, busy bee's reply is better than my boring one he was replying to (and b.basement's spot on).
A few years from now, 2020-2022 will be a head shake for us all! If you, busybee, can tell me 5 years from now that every analysis and decision you made through 2020-2022 was accurate and correct, good on ya! For me, with what I know today, if I could go back and change any decisions since Jan 1 2020, I'd probably change AT LEAST 1,000 things.
However, stuck in the eternal present, to vax seems a no-brainer. Best evidence is that it helps both you and society, even if how much it helps isn't yet sure. Could it hurt you, maybe, the risk seems minuscule compared to risks we accept daily. (If you personally believe catching COVID is a similar non-risk, fine, but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the virus- if you get my drift.)
Human DNA has incorporated lots and lots of bits of viral DNA. Our DNA turns out to be not the straightforward, clear, architectural blueprint Watson and Crick envisioned, but more a torn and dirty plan with lots of near illegible bits, and pencilled in notes that are generally ignored. That double Monsanto burger (is that a real name? or are you referring to the giant food corp and GMO crop producer, I think now owned by the Aspirin folks. Are they delicious?), and indeed all food, is chock full of DNA and RNA bits. We put them into our mouths and blood stream every G Damn meal. Is this different, sure, that's why we are talking about it, but is it more dangerous, than using the scratched, coated frying pan I just fried some eggs in? I doubt it.
Besides, those extra arms I grew since getting fully vaxed tuns out to be quite useful, I could fry my eggs, butter my toast, have a sip of coffee, and write this crap on K440 at the same time. Perfect!
A few years from now, 2020-2022 will be a head shake for us all! If you, busybee, can tell me 5 years from now that every analysis and decision you made through 2020-2022 was accurate and correct, good on ya! For me, with what I know today, if I could go back and change any decisions since Jan 1 2020, I'd probably change AT LEAST 1,000 things.
However, stuck in the eternal present, to vax seems a no-brainer. Best evidence is that it helps both you and society, even if how much it helps isn't yet sure. Could it hurt you, maybe, the risk seems minuscule compared to risks we accept daily. (If you personally believe catching COVID is a similar non-risk, fine, but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the virus- if you get my drift.)
Human DNA has incorporated lots and lots of bits of viral DNA. Our DNA turns out to be not the straightforward, clear, architectural blueprint Watson and Crick envisioned, but more a torn and dirty plan with lots of near illegible bits, and pencilled in notes that are generally ignored. That double Monsanto burger (is that a real name? or are you referring to the giant food corp and GMO crop producer, I think now owned by the Aspirin folks. Are they delicious?), and indeed all food, is chock full of DNA and RNA bits. We put them into our mouths and blood stream every G Damn meal. Is this different, sure, that's why we are talking about it, but is it more dangerous, than using the scratched, coated frying pan I just fried some eggs in? I doubt it.
Besides, those extra arms I grew since getting fully vaxed tuns out to be quite useful, I could fry my eggs, butter my toast, have a sip of coffee, and write this crap on K440 at the same time. Perfect!
Sorry, wrote nonsense.
NOT
"but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the virus"
meant,
'but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the vax.' to be translated, = even if you worry little about health effects of Covid, the health worries of the vax are still less.
NOT
"but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the virus"
meant,
'but COVID is a bigger non-risk than the vax.' to be translated, = even if you worry little about health effects of Covid, the health worries of the vax are still less.
The anti-vaxxers issue solves itself over time, due Covid-19 not dying out over the next couple of years. The anti-vaxxer quite likely will catch Covid-19 some moment in future and either get natural immunity or dies. Problem solved.
Of course, when being an anti-vaxxer, you don't believe in Western medical science, so you skip the hospital and just recover or die at home.
Anti-social anti-vaxxers should not be allowed to occupy/overwhelm the existing medical infrastructure, causing unnecessary costs and block other people from genuine medical care they are entitled to. Not so difficult.
Of course, when being an anti-vaxxer, you don't believe in Western medical science, so you skip the hospital and just recover or die at home.
Anti-social anti-vaxxers should not be allowed to occupy/overwhelm the existing medical infrastructure, causing unnecessary costs and block other people from genuine medical care they are entitled to. Not so difficult.
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