Freightdog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:23 amWhere in the world do these road designs and conditions exist?Ephrium wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:58 amAlso this OP is not talking about highways. In general one do not cross highways by walking across it as it is dangerous. It is about ordinary roads when we need to cross due to the lack of bridges, tunnels and even traffic lights on a very long stretch of road. Cambodia is model of it.
Lousy design of the roads
No idea what you mean
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apologies, I thought this was you-
I was making the forgivable assumption that the OP was highlighting the deficiencies of the local roads, based on the quality of roads in another country? I was just curious which other country that has roads and pedestrian facilities to that standard.Ephrium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:40 pmI have travelled to 30 countries I think and AFAIK Cambodia has the worst road design I know of. And it is not something due to money. Adding a center divider costs nothing if you want to.
In most other countries, between the opposite directions traffic, the center divider is a thick, perhaps 0.5 M path you can stand on. Some times it is a fence, many times grass path, sometimes just a concrete path.
It is very important and makes the whole world of difference in that first, to cross the road you can check one direction of traffic before standing in the divider and checking the opposite.
Without this practically you have to check both directions. You cannot stand on the line in the middle as you will get knocked down anyways. I have even encountered two vehicles knocking into each other on the center line.
If you check one direction, it is clear, by the time you rush to the center you cannot turn your head to look at the other safely in time to cross. If so happen the opposite direction on the far side is heavy you get stuck in the center risking getting hit from both sides.
In fact due to this, due to a human being able to only check one side at a time I was knocked down by a motorcycle. Had it been a car at the opposite side I would have died.
How do you all check both opposite sides while crossing the road?
Whilst Cambodian roads are pretty rough in many places, the fundamental failings lie largely in their construction, and the risks mostly in the driving habits, rather than the roads themselves.
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Cambodia is the only country I know of where drivers totally disregard zebra crossings, but someone keeps painting them, anyway. Perhaps in the eternal optimism of one day... Somewhat like hand-washing with soap.
What standard? We are not talking about standards here. We are just talking why Cambodia does not have a center divider in normal roads other countries have. Turn back to page 2 you see India has it while Cambodia do not. It is lousy design for this as stated in title
Freightdog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:15 pmapologies, I thought this was you-
I was making the forgivable assumption that the OP was highlighting the deficiencies of the local roads, based on the quality of roads in another country? I was just curious which other country that has roads and pedestrian facilities to that standard.Ephrium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:40 pmI have travelled to 30 countries I think and AFAIK Cambodia has the worst road design I know of. And it is not something due to money. Adding a center divider costs nothing if you want to.
In most other countries, between the opposite directions traffic, the center divider is a thick, perhaps 0.5 M path you can stand on. Some times it is a fence, many times grass path, sometimes just a concrete path.
It is very important and makes the whole world of difference in that first, to cross the road you can check one direction of traffic before standing in the divider and checking the opposite.
Without this practically you have to check both directions. You cannot stand on the line in the middle as you will get knocked down anyways. I have even encountered two vehicles knocking into each other on the center line.
If you check one direction, it is clear, by the time you rush to the center you cannot turn your head to look at the other safely in time to cross. If so happen the opposite direction on the far side is heavy you get stuck in the center risking getting hit from both sides.
In fact due to this, due to a human being able to only check one side at a time I was knocked down by a motorcycle. Had it been a car at the opposite side I would have died.
How do you all check both opposite sides while crossing the road?
Whilst Cambodian roads are pretty rough in many places, the fundamental failings lie largely in their construction, and the risks mostly in the driving habits, rather than the roads themselves.
You see both in your post, and your reply, somehow you changed the topic to quality of the road. Which is why when you asked me about which country I am comparing it to I had no idea what you talking about.
This whole thread is orginally and still about why Cambodian roads dividers are just two lines as seen in page two. you derailed it to comparison of conditions of the road.
having just a line is dangerous for pedestrians and vehicles alike. pedestrians you risk knocked down on far side when a car rush through. vehicles both come through the line easy I seen it with my eyes.
This whole thread is orginally and still about why Cambodian roads dividers are just two lines as seen in page two. you derailed it to comparison of conditions of the road.
having just a line is dangerous for pedestrians and vehicles alike. pedestrians you risk knocked down on far side when a car rush through. vehicles both come through the line easy I seen it with my eyes.
Freightdog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:15 pm
I was making the forgivable assumption that the OP was highlighting the deficiencies of the local roads, based on the quality of roads in another country? I was just curious which other country that has roads and pedestrian facilities to that standard.
Whilst Cambodian roads are pretty rough in many places, the fundamental failings lie largely in their construction, and the risks mostly in the driving habits, rather than the roads themselves.
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Maybe money for improvement of traffic comes from Japan, Korea etc.?JollyBee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:24 pmCambodia is the only country I know of where drivers totally disregard zebra crossings, but someone keeps painting them, anyway.
Pardon my engrish, thanks you.
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I’m only quoting a small piece of the original post, for brevity.
I’m still curious; where?
As for derailing the thread, the original post and lack of debate by yourself achieve that. Responses to the original post are surely to be expected? Or was it something of a rhetorical question?
My reference to the quality of the roads was addressing what makes many Cambodian roads lousy. The construction. It may be getting better, but in many parts of the country, the prepared surface is more of a broken crust. (There’s a scene in Ice cold in Alex which comes to mind)
Road layout; There simply isn’t the scope in some parts of many cities to achieve anything other than a white line as a guide. That’s something that is common worldwide.
I personally believe that whole areas of the ‘riverside’ between Sisowath and 19 would benefit hugely from being pedestrian/pedal rickshaw only. Keep motorized vehicles, especially those that are only transiting, away. But that’s probably an impractical consideration for a long while, when the locals insist on riding through indoor markets on their scooters.
I didn’t change the topic of the thread at all. (I don’t think it’s even within my ‘privileges’ to do so.). That’s just silly.
I’m not aware of any country that achieves this on all of their roads. In this regard, I’d say that areas of Cambodia are actually doing it quite well. Hence, I asked where in the world does this (carriageway separation) happen. Within the context of the original post, there are countries where it does happen.In most other countries, between the opposite directions traffic, the center divider is a thick, perhaps 0.5 M path you can stand on. Some times it is a fence, many times grass path, sometimes just a concrete path.
I’m still curious; where?
As for derailing the thread, the original post and lack of debate by yourself achieve that. Responses to the original post are surely to be expected? Or was it something of a rhetorical question?
My reference to the quality of the roads was addressing what makes many Cambodian roads lousy. The construction. It may be getting better, but in many parts of the country, the prepared surface is more of a broken crust. (There’s a scene in Ice cold in Alex which comes to mind)
Road layout; There simply isn’t the scope in some parts of many cities to achieve anything other than a white line as a guide. That’s something that is common worldwide.
I personally believe that whole areas of the ‘riverside’ between Sisowath and 19 would benefit hugely from being pedestrian/pedal rickshaw only. Keep motorized vehicles, especially those that are only transiting, away. But that’s probably an impractical consideration for a long while, when the locals insist on riding through indoor markets on their scooters.
I didn’t change the topic of the thread at all. (I don’t think it’s even within my ‘privileges’ to do so.). That’s just silly.
Freight dog I keep my reply to you brief. I suspect your English is not that proficient which is why you keep derailing the topic or subject.
You are not aware of countries which have structural dividers on ALL their roads but most in Asia have on Most of their road. Cambodia is the opposite.
My post was obviously not rhetorical Qs. It is Why does Cambodia do this when having thicker dividers do not cost much. And economically speaking it may be cheaper considering the reduction of danger to pedestrians and vehicles crashing when they inadvertently cross.
So Why do Cambodia not have it as many or most other countries do? it is not rhetorical but a proper Qs.
In your last reply you seem to derail it into Quality of the road again, which is not what this thread is about as stated in title
You are not aware of countries which have structural dividers on ALL their roads but most in Asia have on Most of their road. Cambodia is the opposite.
My post was obviously not rhetorical Qs. It is Why does Cambodia do this when having thicker dividers do not cost much. And economically speaking it may be cheaper considering the reduction of danger to pedestrians and vehicles crashing when they inadvertently cross.
So Why do Cambodia not have it as many or most other countries do? it is not rhetorical but a proper Qs.
In your last reply you seem to derail it into Quality of the road again, which is not what this thread is about as stated in title
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You have completely ignored the fact that many streets and roads do have dividers. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe you need to get out more.Ephrium wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:08 am
This whole thread is orginally and still about why Cambodian roads dividers are just two lines as seen in page two. you derailed it to comparison of conditions of the road.
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ahh dividers in the road<
brings to mind the wonderful 6 lane divided highway between the white horse and Kep beach
while the more dangerous, heavily traveled road between kep and Kampot is a 2 lane undivided road
brings to mind the wonderful 6 lane divided highway between the white horse and Kep beach
while the more dangerous, heavily traveled road between kep and Kampot is a 2 lane undivided road
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First world problems
Millions are battling just to make ends meet
Extra dividing lines can wait
Millions are battling just to make ends meet
Extra dividing lines can wait
Always found that to be the most effective means of observation.Ephrium wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:08 am...vehicles both come through the line easy I seen it with my eyes.
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