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Post by Bitteeinbit » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:02 pm

I would say noise is my main beef with Cambodia, the heat coming in at a close second. So I was hoping in this thread we could share ideas of how to reduce noise (and/or heat).

Now I know the best remedy for white noise is to get a place off a main road, preferably high. But are there any building materials or items which can be used to reduce noise from the streets? I'm thinking heavy drapes, but those would probably pick up dust easily. The same goes for carpet, not to mention that dampness and carpets don't go well together. I've thought of getting "double-windows" or maybe adding a thick plastic film to windows (provided the landlord agrees). Double-windows like those people have in colder climates are actually isolated (nothing is isolated here). Keep in mind I don't like aircon so keeping windows open to a minimum is required. I've thought of making and setting up heavy white rubber slats/lats off the balcony. That way they might deflect/absorb some noise as well as heat.

These website have a bunch of interesting stuff, but ordering/bringing over would be an expensive pain. Does anyone know of any Cambodian companies offer similar stuff?

http://www.soundproofcow.com/
http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/kits.htm
http://www.soundproofwindows.com/?s=gawc1g2

Hopefully some of you have some ideas or tips for reducing noise. Heat is trickier obviously. If one were to build a new place, you could easily build under trees, facing a certain direction and add "double-walls" which might do wonders for heat. But getting heat out of existing places is somewhat difficult. Obviously the lower you are, the better. Facing South is also a good option which reduces heat significantly. But other than that, I don't know of many things one can do.
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Post by SunSan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:04 pm

I live about 200m from MTT. But I hear nothing except the children plaing in the evenings.

The secret is to get a place west of Monivong, where nearly all the smaller roads traversing the city blocks is in residential area.
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Post by Chuangt2u » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:58 pm

The road I've lived on for the past 3 or more years has got busier and busier, and noise is getting to be a pain here, too

I've always liked the idea of "antisound" myself, Arthur C. Clarke - 1950s. It's only been done for small, enclosed areas so far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_noise_control

Run a fan or two and tune an FM radio to the off-station hiss to cancel out noise at night in a bedroom.
Daytime, most of the noise that gets into my place is reflected around by the tiles on the floor and lower walls, and the concrete ceilings don't help either. Covering walls and ceilings with the old 1970s/80s polystyrene ceiling tiles would probably help a lot. Mrs C recently got me to put up some curtains, but I can't really say that they've helped much with absorbing the noise... it's just something else to get used to / put up with, I suppose.
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Post by Barang » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:59 am

I have noise both front and back at my home. The street in front has traffic nearly 24/7 and is quite busy throughout the day. I have a business behind that operates 24/7 most of the year behind me in an open building.

I am on the first floor. My front windows are louvered panes of glass, both dusty and noisy. My bedroom has the same windows and originally had only a drop ceiling.

A little work when I first moved in turned my bedroom into a very tight and quite sleep/work chamber.

Before I ever moved in I had the landlord add a wooden floored loft area that created a double ceiling over the bedroom as part of the improvements we negotiated. There is a 15cm gap between the new plywood floor and the re-hung drop ceiling. This and some improvements in the kitchen where done at no cost to me; I agreed to pay six months rent in advance, three up front and three when the work was completed. I the process I paid no deposit. Win win win

Had they not agreed to floor the loft I would have placed a layer of sealed empty boxes above the dropped ceiling taped the gaps and covered the whole with plastic or vinyl flooring.

The rear of the new loft had louvered vent openings to the kitchen. I blocked these vents with cardboard and stacked empty boxes over much of the loft area. This served both as sound and heat insulation. I hung a floor to ceiling curtain across the width of the loft to cut down on air circulation. I left the side vent open to vent excessive heat into the stairwell. The kitchen has a curtain from the front to back along on side that blocks the high area over the bathroom and pantry cutting down on noise.

I placed flat cardboard panels in the bedroom windows and hung thick curtains both inside (the bedroom) and out (in the main room area). I hung a curtain across the middle of the bedroom to separate the front work area from the rear sleeping area. This helps surprisingly well with both noise and air-conditioning despite being open at the top and bottom.

I hung plastic blinds (the slates are hollow plastic tubes) on both the front and back balconies to dampen and reflect the noise. I hung lightweight gauze like curtains on the front windows, because I wanted to keep the light. In the front room I hung a long curtain on one section of side wall that was exposed on the outside to heat and noise.

All the curtains except the front window are hung simply on heavy steel wire strung very tightly between and supported by eye-screws in the wall. The curtains in the loft, high in kitchen, mid bedroom, and along one side of the living room are simply yard-goods bought from the street just south of Orrusey.

Total cost: $160

Front Balcony Blinds $70
Rear Balcony Blind $35
Cheap Curtains: Cloth $20 $1meter by 1.5m, Wire $2, Eyes $2, Curtain Hooks $6
Nice Curtains (bedroom in and out) $20
Big Flat Cardboard $5

Even with all this I occasionally turn on the ceiling fan in the bedroom to block the living room TV or a near by wedding.
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Post by hanky » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:34 am

Hammer a six inch nail into each eardrum.
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Post by giblet » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:51 pm

I've been considering killing my neighbors dogs.
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Post by Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:09 pm

In Australia some people put aluminum foil on the windows to keep out the heat, cheap solution.
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Post by Bitteeinbit » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:39 am

barang wrote:Valuable info
Thanks a lot for the info, Barang. Though I have a bic of trouble imagining what you're talking about. Did he build a wooden bedroom inside the apartment, the ceiling of which is 15cm from the drop ceiling? Do you have a few pictures of the work you got done? I understand the rest, just I'm not too sure about the bedroom. Also, does blocking the louvered holes trap heat inside or is it alright?
Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:In Australia some people put aluminum foil on the windows to keep out the heat, cheap solution.
Simple, yet great idea. I could easily cover lats with aluminum foil and make it look decent too.
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Post by Nodding Dog » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:18 pm

Hi guys,

I'm not really one to use forums to sell to people, but was looking for a new apartment and found this thread.

My company supply uPVC windows and doors, the two big selling points of the product are the noise reduction and heat insulation.

It's not a cheap solution and certainly more expensive than aluminum foil, but please PM me if you're interested in more details.

Cheers,

ND

PS, if you know of a decent apartment/flat PM me as well, thanks
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Post by Florida » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:30 pm

Thanks, N Dog

I was looking for a supplier of those, but thought that
no one here would know anything....

I think that I am not allowed to PM after that disaster with the V-one.

Can you PM your e mail to me and I will use that instead ?
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Post by ken svay » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:54 pm

Rockwool insulation available here in two different weights,absolutely the best insulation for sound in the world.
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Post by Barang » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:40 am

The original bedroom in my shop-house apartment was a rectangular room with a drop ceiling. One wall was a side of my apartment shared with an adjacent building, the back wall was a full 4 meter floor to ceiling wall blocking off the kitchen, the other two walls where about 2.25 meters high one created a hallway from the kitchen to the living room with a door to the bedroom along it and the other wall faced the living room with a large louvered window. There was a simple exposed drop ceiling over the bedroom.

I had a floor built over the bedroom and hall creating a mezzanine. The drop ceiling in the bedroom is about 15 cm below the new wooden floor. I then had an enclosed hallway from the kitchen past the bedroom to the living room.

I blocked the upper vents in the mezzanine in the kitchen wall, hung a curtain to block the front, and left open side vents witch went into the stairwell. Heat could still flow out into the stairwell which in turn had its own vents. Noise and heat was blocked from the kitchen and noise was blocked from the front room. A layer of empty boxes provides extra insulation for both sound and heat over the bedroom.

Blocking up the louvered bedroom window with cardboard and curtains. Made the bedroom tight. When you open and close the bedroom door quickly the ceiling tiles still from the air pressure even after five years.

A small tight inside room well insulated from both heat and noise, as I say this someone is chopping meat in an adjacent apartment.
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Post by mannacambodia » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:14 am

SunSan wrote:I live about 200m from MTT. But I hear nothing except the children plaing in the evenings.

The secret is to get a place west of Monivong, where nearly all the smaller roads traversing the city blocks is in residential area.
As my place is roughly 150 meters from SS his house, I can confirm this. After 7PM you hear nothing here anymore.
And even during daytime there is not really noise. The area is very quiet.
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Post by abayd » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:18 pm

I have a CD of white noise which is supposed to sound like waterfalls I listen to when I'm going to sleep. I sleep very lightly and any noise bothers me when I'm trying to fall asleep, but the CD seems to work.
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