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I've found this thread pretty interesting. But am stunned (and disappointed) that v12 hasn't been calling him 'Muskie'
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I think this only affected folks who use a mobile app to open their car. Even so, I think you can post probably daily, or at least weekly on user issues for Tesla, the media of course love it & you'll have an endless supply of material to support your argument.v12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:34 pmAnd, when Tesla does have a "server problem", you'll have to walk.
Tesla's designed to let the owners walk at random
Guess, how this feature was received, when it would be a Merc or BMW ?
Is this normal ? Unfortunately, yes, it is. It's all software dependency, so expect it to break down. Just like the almighty Windows.
But I ask, is a Tesla server error any worse than say a Boeing/Airbus crashing due to mechanical fault & killing all on board? Fish out the black box, learn, move on? Works for the airline industry, to suggest Tesla's troubles are anywhere near that scale is disingenuous - yet we all fly. Except Dennis Bergkamp. If the Wright Brothers gave up on their first crash, we wouldn't have moved on much would we. Tesla will learn, fix, overcome - or be overtaken by competitors; EVs are not going away, look at Biden's financial incentives for buying EVs for starters.
What is more absurd is something like Rivian's IPO (valutation $66.5bn, for company that hasn't built a single car for consumers, reached $105bn market cap by end of day 1) on the back of heavy backing with Amazon and Ford; and then Ford pull out a few days after. EV is becoming the new .COM - there are going to be plenty of big losers, but as I mentioned before & last time to repeat, Tesla is not just an EV car maker & thus setbacks in any cars/software are not terminal for the business.
Stay calm, carry on.
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Spigsy,
For the cash, relatively speaking, it's a shame they look like an expensive Ford Focus though.
Just sayin like...
For the cash, relatively speaking, it's a shame they look like an expensive Ford Focus though.
Just sayin like...
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
Looks like you have little understanding of the reality.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:48 pmI've found this thread pretty interesting. But am stunned (and disappointed) that @v12 hasn't been calling him 'Muskie'
Trumpie is a pure evil person/personality, working ONLY for his own benefit. Oh, Trumpie rich ? Nop, otherwise he would spend a couple of millions on new engines for his golden mini-Boeing, which is now rotting away due to non-usage (with worn out engines).
Musk is just an Asperger person with genius ideas, which he does manage to "sell" to people wanting to earn on the greed rewarding they get offered. Ideas which, in general, are for the benefit of all people (doesn't work out always, but the intention is there).
Yep, make things too complicated / too many things depending on each other and things will break down. The costs to avoid that (duplicating/triplicating, etc) are immense.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:00 pmI think this only affected folks who use a mobile app to open their car. Even so, I think you can post probably daily, or at least weekly on user issues for Tesla, the media of course love it & you'll have an endless supply of material to support your argument.
Airlines/Airplanes are highly regulated to avoid these things happening, which shows off, that that works.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:00 pmBut I ask, is a Tesla server error any worse than say a Boeing/Airbus crashing due to mechanical fault & killing all on board? Fish out the black box, learn, move on? Works for the airline industry, to suggest Tesla's troubles are anywhere near that scale is disingenuous - yet we all fly. Except Dennis Bergkamp. If the Wright Brothers gave up on their first crash, we wouldn't have moved on much would we. Tesla will learn, fix, overcome - or be overtaken by competitors; EVs are not going away, look at Biden's financial incentives for buying EVs for starters.
The moment a manufacturer starts intentionally avoiding/cheating on these regulations, things go haywire. See the Boeing 737 Max with known catastrophic failure modes. See the Boeing 787, which does have now a grounded delivery of new airplanes to customers, due to cheap skating during production (sledgehammer action type to overcome production tolerances).
Yeah, that is called hyping, people lose their common sense of what is the value of something.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:00 pmWhat is more absurd is something like Rivian's IPO (valutation $66.5bn, for company that hasn't built a single car for consumers, reached $105bn market cap by end of day 1) on the back of heavy backing with Amazon and Ford; and then Ford pull out a few days after. EV is becoming the new .COM - there are going to be plenty of big losers, but as I mentioned before & last time to repeat, Tesla is not just an EV car maker & thus setbacks in any cars/software are not terminal for the business.
Stay calm, carry on.
Just wait for the final day. There are more of these things hanging over the market, we've seen that with house mortgages around 2008.
Totally agree, not a car I'd buy - very much a v-twin/v8 enthusiast this side. It's weird though, none of my kids have any interest whatsoever in cars or bikes. They see no trouble in just using ride hailing apps, etc - the concept of 'just going for a drive/ride' is absolutely alien. Really failed parenting big time on that front!spitthedog wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:40 pmSpigsy,
For the cash, relatively speaking, it's a shame they look like an expensive Ford Focus though.
Just sayin like...
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
It takes time and maturity to find out, how expensive items become, when you rent on a permanent basis. Not to say, the availability, when you need it the same time many others want the same service.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:25 amTotally agree, not a car I'd buy - very much a v-twin/v8 enthusiast this side. It's weird though, none of my kids have any interest whatsoever in cars or bikes. They see no trouble in just using ride hailing apps, etc - the concept of 'just going for a drive/ride' is absolutely alien. Really failed parenting big time on that front!spitthedog wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:40 pmSpigsy,
For the cash, relatively speaking, it's a shame they look like an expensive Ford Focus though.
Just sayin like...
For example, 1 km tuktuk rides that amount to USD 10, as was happening some 6-7 months ago, with the first lockdown in Phnom Penh.
Sorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
Yeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
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I don't actually agree with this.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:53 pmYeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
Having a car in PP is convenient, yes.
But it is expensive and can be a pain in the ass unless you have a good, honest reliable mechanic.
I reckon I would likely save (a fair bit of) money moving from my own car to using car hire. Added to the fact that I can work whilst being driven and save time to spend with the family.
I do enjoy having a car though, but it is nothing to do with accomplishing anything in life. It's nothing to do with being an adult.
A car in PP is good for your status, though not very practical, given the traffic situation. I could buy one, though prefer to drive around on my motobike. Loading 3 Kids still fits (barely nowadays).ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:25 pmI don't actually agree with this.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:53 pmYeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
Having a car in PP is convenient, yes.
But it is expensive and can be a pain in the ass unless you have a good, honest reliable mechanic.
I reckon I would likely save (a fair bit of) money moving from my own car to using car hire. Added to the fact that I can work whilst being driven and save time to spend with the family.
I do enjoy having a car though, but it is nothing to do with accomplishing anything in life. It's nothing to do with being an adult.
For outside PP, or in the EU/UK (which is the original item), doing without car is outright a nuisance, the moment you want to go somewhere, public transport does not go (regularly, quite some places). Don't get me wrong, I highly prefer traveling by train, though it comes with serious limitations in what you can do, especially business/work wise. Public transport starts determining your agenda/schedule, not really the freedom one needs, etc.
Moving around by chauffeured car in Cambodia is also a nuisance. The driver does have different priorities than I have. Like commission to let you dine at their preferences, etc. Stop, when they want, instead of moving on, etc. Complaining about "no money", etc.
Not sure why anyone complains about the traffic in PP. As cities go it’s tame, especially the city proper not outer PP.
Try driving in London or Paris at ANY time. It’s horrendous.
Sure it was busier years ago before COVID but I wouldn’t really call it gridlocked even at rush hour the traffic moves, unless some prat has blocked it.
Anyhoo. Saw a video and they bought a new battery pack for a Tesla. $21000 plus labor. Chaching!
Try driving in London or Paris at ANY time. It’s horrendous.
Sure it was busier years ago before COVID but I wouldn’t really call it gridlocked even at rush hour the traffic moves, unless some prat has blocked it.
Anyhoo. Saw a video and they bought a new battery pack for a Tesla. $21000 plus labor. Chaching!
pew, pew, pew, pew!
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