Yes. Probably safer in Prey Sar than he would be as Prime Minister.OrangeDragon wrote:if he stayed 1 day as a political prisoner here, do you really think he'd have lived to serve a second?
Sam Rainsy meets with Burma’s Aung San SuuKyi
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I didn't, you might find that Playboy did. Recommend you try to read first then comment later. It's a bit like think before you speak except in the read/write sense.Falcon Randwick wrote:So why did you compare them...Bosco wrote:My point is that the two are completely different. Different people, facing completely different circumstances, in very different countries. Comparing the two shows a complete misunderstanding of the situation in either one or both of the countries....in the first place?Bosco wrote:She was locked up in her palatial mansion on the shore of the lake in Rangoon, his option was Prey Sar.
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Why are you so convinced he’d end up in Prey Sar?
Maintaining a pretend democracy is crucial to keeping the dev-aid billions flowing, and I don’t think the CPP is ready to abandon that pretense and rely exclusively on the amoral Chinese for all of its dev-aid income just yet (even if I’m increasingly certain that that day will eventually come).
Normally an important part of pretend democracies is not locking up a leader of the opposition in an infamous and squalid prison on trumped-up charges. They didn’t dare to try it with Mu Sochua and they won’t dare to do it with Rainsy either. The one guy they did try it on with, a nobody from the SRP called Cheam Channy, never saw a day in Prey Sar and was released from military detention after a few months of sustained outrage from the international community.
If Rainsy were to return there’d be some kind of face-saving arrangement to keep him out of prison just like there was in 2006, you can be almost certain of it, which makes his failure to return that much more cowardly.
Maintaining a pretend democracy is crucial to keeping the dev-aid billions flowing, and I don’t think the CPP is ready to abandon that pretense and rely exclusively on the amoral Chinese for all of its dev-aid income just yet (even if I’m increasingly certain that that day will eventually come).
Normally an important part of pretend democracies is not locking up a leader of the opposition in an infamous and squalid prison on trumped-up charges. They didn’t dare to try it with Mu Sochua and they won’t dare to do it with Rainsy either. The one guy they did try it on with, a nobody from the SRP called Cheam Channy, never saw a day in Prey Sar and was released from military detention after a few months of sustained outrage from the international community.
If Rainsy were to return there’d be some kind of face-saving arrangement to keep him out of prison just like there was in 2006, you can be almost certain of it, which makes his failure to return that much more cowardly.
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Yes you fucking did. The comment in bold is a comparison. And before you rush to pedantry regarding my "in the first place" comment, I'm referring to your first comment in this thread, not anyone elses.Bosco wrote:I didn't...Falcon Randwick wrote:So why did you compare them...Bosco wrote:My point is that the two are completely different. Different people, facing completely different circumstances, in very different countries. Comparing the two shows a complete misunderstanding of the situation in either one or both of the countries....in the first place?Bosco wrote:She was locked up in her palatial mansion on the shore of the lake in Rangoon, his option was Prey Sar.
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I'm rather confused by the aggressive position taken by several posters.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
For me, the truth of the situation is that I have never placed my life at risk for a political cause.
So how can we pretend to know the "what if's" of a situation and then pass judgement on what another person did or failed to do.
Neither of them are in a winnable situation and the fact that they still continue to put up any form of opposition is commendable.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
For me, the truth of the situation is that I have never placed my life at risk for a political cause.
So how can we pretend to know the "what if's" of a situation and then pass judgement on what another person did or failed to do.
Neither of them are in a winnable situation and the fact that they still continue to put up any form of opposition is commendable.
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+1scoffer wrote:I'm rather confused by the aggressive position taken by several posters.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
For me, the truth of the situation is that I have never placed my life at risk for a political cause.
So how can we pretend to know the "what if's" of a situation and then pass judgement on what another person did or failed to do.
Neither of them are in a winnable situation and the fact that they still continue to put up any form of opposition is commendable.
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Actually, Daw Suu Kyi is slowly manoeuvring herself back into a winning position. Remember that she won an "election" in 1990.
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I'm rather confused by this comment, Scoffer, if it refers to my defence of Aung San Suu Kyi. Nowhere did I state that she is "better" than Rainsy. I simply made a point that ASSK did not exactly have an easy time during her 20-year incarceration, whether it was at her home or in Insein Prison.scoffer wrote:I'm rather confused by the aggressive position taken by several posters.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
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Falcon Randwick wrote:I'm rather confused by this comment, Scoffer, if it refers to my defence of Aung San Suu Kyi. Nowhere did I state that she is "better" than Rainsy. I simply made a point that ASSK did not exactly have an easy time during her 20-year incarceration, whether it was at her home or in Insein Prison.scoffer wrote:I'm rather confused by the aggressive position taken by several posters.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
Falcon,
ASSK is one of my hero's,
I applaud and respect her.
In this instance I'm not saying that either one of them is better that the other.
All I'm saying is personnel preference is clouding the positive and negative aspects of each of them.
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i think there is where your confusion comes from. bosco's statement was in response to several others criticizing rainsy for "not having the balls" she did based on the simple comparison that she stayed and faced her accusers while he escaped to challenge his from abroad.Falcon Randwick wrote:I'm rather confused by this comment, Scoffer, if it refers to my defence of Aung San Suu Kyi. Nowhere did I state that she is "better" than Rainsy. I simply made a point that ASSK did not exactly have an easy time during her 20-year incarceration, whether it was at her home or in Insein Prison.scoffer wrote:I'm rather confused by the aggressive position taken by several posters.
What does screaming "My Hero" is better than Your Hero" on the internet achieve.
in all likelyhood i would guess from what i've heard and read of the situation on cambodia that the two would have played out into very different scenarios had he stuck around.
he wasn't really comparing them, so much as illustrating by the stark difference in situations by giving a likely case for rainsy had he stayed. personally i don't think the powers that be are foolish enough to have let him sit around for as long as she was able to do until he won over enough sympathy to get a foothold. i'm more inclined to believe the vehicle transporting him would have had a tragic accident on the way...
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It is the very essence of politics to have the public pass judgement on politicians based on the poitician's behavior in situations that John Q Public will never face personally. Mu Sochua earned a lot of political cred facing down HS as well as standing with people in dangerous situations (such as the land confrontations in Kampot.) ASSK did too by paying those long hard dues. Putting oneself in harm's way in defense of principle can make a politician's career. It's in the nature of the game.
IMO, I doubt Channy was released due to international pressure/outrage. Like Sonando's release the other day, Channy was released because his imprisonment had already served its purpose.shitegeist wrote:The one guy they did try it on with, a nobody from the SRP called Cheam Channy, never saw a day in Prey Sar and was released from military detention after a few months of sustained outrage from the international community.
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Indeed, her staunchness is further borne out by the fact that the regime in Myanmar made a standing offer of an air ticket (one way) to wherever she wanted to go whenever she wanted. She stayed.KL&fool wrote:Daw Aung Sang Suu Kyi has, since her involvement in politics, always stayed close to her people at great personal risk - even refusing to leave to visit her dying husband because she knew she would never be allowed to return.
BTW, my daughter, who was born in Yangon, is named Xaysana Suu Kyi. When we went to register the birth the authorities deliberately misspelled Suu Kyi, we had to demand that it be changed back to the original spelling. Whenever we went on our ten-weekly visa runs the paperwork we handed to the Myanmar consulate for her visa application read only Xaysana SK.
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I find her less and less laudable, I see her trying to placate the villagers near the Chinese/ military copper mine the other day. They told her they they don't want to swap their land for the opportunity of being slaves of the Chinese as mine workers.
As a Burman nationalist she can't and won't do anything for the rohingyas.She won the election way back when but lacked the political nous to negotiate with the generals, she is not a politician and it shows.Her father showed his naivety by being pro Japanese until he realised that they were far worse than the British.
He must have stuffed up with the generals as well, didn't they blow him up?
Hun sen could give lessons on politics to some of his neighbours and though I dislike him intensely I find Rainey to be an opportunist who never fails to play the race card.He has achieved nothing for the poor Khmers, I think he is a policy free zone.
As a Burman nationalist she can't and won't do anything for the rohingyas.She won the election way back when but lacked the political nous to negotiate with the generals, she is not a politician and it shows.Her father showed his naivety by being pro Japanese until he realised that they were far worse than the British.
He must have stuffed up with the generals as well, didn't they blow him up?
Hun sen could give lessons on politics to some of his neighbours and though I dislike him intensely I find Rainey to be an opportunist who never fails to play the race card.He has achieved nothing for the poor Khmers, I think he is a policy free zone.
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Come on Ken, give Rainsy credit for getting a few villagers imprisoned for pulling up border posts while he left the country.ken svay wrote: I find Rainey to be an opportunist who never fails to play the race card.He has achieved nothing for the poor Khmers
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