Foreigners banned from joining protests
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There has been talk for a long time about a law barring dual citizens from running for/holding office. If they go after him for his citizenship, it'll probably be in passing a dual citizen law.
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That's right, you do. But they also have every right to invalidate your visa and not issue you with another one.Gin&Tonic wrote:Even if you don't live there but strongly disagree then why shouldn't you be able to protest.
I would be more supportive of this law if their was a genuine non corrupt way of obtaining citizenship here.
This would not be too unusual. A US immigration offer on Guam last week told me he fondly remembered having an Irish passport but had to give either up to get sworn in as a USCIS officer.LTO wrote:There has been talk for a long time about a law barring dual citizens from running for/holding office. If they go after him for his citizenship, it'll probably be in passing a dual citizen law.
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More absolute horse shit from the Daily. My office is right in between the assembly, the appeals court and the palace which means I see far more protests than most and at some it's clear the foreigners there are the organisers.
Whilst walking to lunch last year I watched an older smartly dressed foreign gentlemen handing out cardboard hats with protest messages out to the Boeng Kak protesters.
There's a lot of foreigners who crossed the line of simply being "observers" a long time back and I think we all know the government theory that foreign powers (one in particular) are providing assistance to groups that would love to see regime change is more fact than theory.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/fore ... ays-88853/Though foreigners have seldom been on the frontlines of protests following the disputed July 2013 national election, foreign rights workers have often been among crowds, either as observers or participants.
More absolute horse shit from the Daily. My office is right in between the assembly, the appeals court and the palace which means I see far more protests than most and at some it's clear the foreigners there are the organisers.
Whilst walking to lunch last year I watched an older smartly dressed foreign gentlemen handing out cardboard hats with protest messages out to the Boeng Kak protesters.
There's a lot of foreigners who crossed the line of simply being "observers" a long time back and I think we all know the government theory that foreign powers (one in particular) are providing assistance to groups that would love to see regime change is more fact than theory.
Do you get a free pass into the Jameson's Distillery with it?Bosco wrote:This would not be too unusual. A US immigration offer on Guam last week told me he fondly remembered having an Irish passport but had to give either up to get sworn in as a USCIS officer.LTO wrote:There has been talk for a long time about a law barring dual citizens from running for/holding office. If they go after him for his citizenship, it'll probably be in passing a dual citizen law.
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Yeah right on brother.Hanno wrote:Totally agree with that. We are visitors here and have absolutely no right to get involved in local politics.
Ethical relativism at its best.
Don't interfere cos it's not your country.
I guess it means only Cambodians have an opinion on whether they live in a democracy or not and the international community is wasting its time here.
So Fuck those fuckers that pushed better factory conditions for workers or who helped stsmp out child prostitution or apartheid in south Africa?
Yeah we visitors or expats can't voice an opinion about that shit.
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I'd venture to say it can be interpreted a little more offensively than that. Do people not think with all the millions of local NGOs here that there aren't groups of educated Khmers who request the help of a few foreigners for protests and not the other way around? Aren't we a little bit beyond pretending that expats are somehow masterminding whole movements because the Khmer proletariat are analogous to children? And don't act for a second as though the current elite don't engage the help of foreigners to help counter protests. None of them are going anywhere.Just Robbed wrote:Yeah right on brother.Hanno wrote:Totally agree with that. We are visitors here and have absolutely no right to get involved in local politics.
Ethical relativism at its best.
Don't interfere cos it's not your country.
I guess it means only Cambodians have an opinion on whether they live in a democracy or not and the international community is wasting its time here.
So Fuck those fuckers that pushed better factory conditions for workers or who helped stsmp out child prostitution or apartheid in south Africa?
Yeah we visitors or expats can't voice an opinion about that shit.
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Funny how it's only shitholes run by despotic lunatics that do things like prohibit foreigners from joining a protest.Hanno wrote:Totally agree with that. We are visitors here and have absolutely no right to get involved in local politics.
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I would love to see how long a foreigner on a short non immigrant visa who played an active or even leadership role in the occupy movement in New York or protests in Furgoson remained in the U.S.
There is a bigger game being played here and it has absolutely nothing to do with creating a better future for Cambodians.
There is a bigger game being played here and it has absolutely nothing to do with creating a better future for Cambodians.
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On a geopolitical level the U.S wants a unified ASEAN that's aligned economically, strategically and militarily with the U.S in order to be a regional counter balance to China. China is trying and some might say succeeding in using soft power in the form of aid and trade to undermine U.S hard power in the region and their attempt at soft power via ASEAN integration.
In such a union each country still gets only one vote regardless of its size. China has been trying become the main financial patron of Burma, Cambodia and Laos in order to indirectly have a say in ASEAN policy. The U.S is doing everything it can to prevent that from happening.
In Burma that means ending sanctions and pretending that the Junta have turned over a new leaf after seeing that a people power change of regime wouldn't happen. In Cambodia that means indirectly supporting the opposition and hoping for regime change, in Laos they haven't previously been holding any cards but I think they will now try to exert influence indirectly via their new and unlikely Vietnamese bed fellows.
On the hard power front the Spatly islands are being used to rally ASEAN members around a common cause.
In such a union each country still gets only one vote regardless of its size. China has been trying become the main financial patron of Burma, Cambodia and Laos in order to indirectly have a say in ASEAN policy. The U.S is doing everything it can to prevent that from happening.
In Burma that means ending sanctions and pretending that the Junta have turned over a new leaf after seeing that a people power change of regime wouldn't happen. In Cambodia that means indirectly supporting the opposition and hoping for regime change, in Laos they haven't previously been holding any cards but I think they will now try to exert influence indirectly via their new and unlikely Vietnamese bed fellows.
On the hard power front the Spatly islands are being used to rally ASEAN members around a common cause.
To me it seems like the headline and article are a little hammed up.
There is no new law on the books or new official policy. The PP governor made some comments. The context for those comments aren't clear, they could have been made offhand, in response to questions, or a prepared speech outlining a new policy. The Daily doesn't tell us.
The Daily does ask follow up with the head of the Immigration Department and the head of the Passport Department, neither of whom have heard anything about anything.
They then talk to Siphan, the Cabinet spokesman, who sounds like he gets a little worked up and pissed off. He's quoted as saying "The foreigners have no right to protest against the government", but who knows if he means legal right (you'll get arrested) or standing (Hanno's point - who do these foreigners think they are).
Siphan's other quotes, that if you break the law you're subject to arrest, but I don't know any specific law that applies to foreigners protesting, make it sound like the reporters are just pushing people's buttons and fishing for quotes.
Need more information but probably much ado about nothing. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some foreigners were arrested at some point along with other protesters.
There is no new law on the books or new official policy. The PP governor made some comments. The context for those comments aren't clear, they could have been made offhand, in response to questions, or a prepared speech outlining a new policy. The Daily doesn't tell us.
The Daily does ask follow up with the head of the Immigration Department and the head of the Passport Department, neither of whom have heard anything about anything.
They then talk to Siphan, the Cabinet spokesman, who sounds like he gets a little worked up and pissed off. He's quoted as saying "The foreigners have no right to protest against the government", but who knows if he means legal right (you'll get arrested) or standing (Hanno's point - who do these foreigners think they are).
Siphan's other quotes, that if you break the law you're subject to arrest, but I don't know any specific law that applies to foreigners protesting, make it sound like the reporters are just pushing people's buttons and fishing for quotes.
Need more information but probably much ado about nothing. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some foreigners were arrested at some point along with other protesters.
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