For tourists, Cambodia Safer than Thailand
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For tourists, Cambodia Safer than Thailand
54% jump in tourist deaths in Thailand last year.
http://www.thailand-business-news.com/n ... -2015.html
Cambodia at 92. Thailand at 132.
I kind of wonder how many died falling from balconies.
http://www.thailand-business-news.com/n ... -2015.html
Cambodia at 92. Thailand at 132.
I kind of wonder how many died falling from balconies.
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They must have their numbers wrong, 83 in Thailand, over a hundred in Cambodia, this when tourist and expat are counted alike, compare this with the number of tourists/expats living or holidaying in respective countries, and i think it's clear that there's much more chance to die in Cambodia than in Thailand, or perhaps i'm missing something...
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 40#p749644
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 27#p750148
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 40#p749644
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Nope. You're on the right track. Thailand claims 25+ million arrivals, Cambodia 4.x million. So Thailand has 8 times more tourists yet Cambodia is not far off the total tourist death toll of Thailand.
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I figure they are collecting data using a different methodology than you. I doubt they are comparing your list to their list, or that if you kept a list of deaths in Thailand that it would necesarily match theirs.boomer wrote:They must have their numbers wrong, 83 in Thailand, over a hundred in Cambodia, this when tourist and expat are counted alike, compare this with the number of tourists/expats living or holidaying in respective countries, and i think it's clear that there's much more chance to die in Cambodia than in Thailand, or perhaps i'm missing something...
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 40#p749644
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 27#p750148
Just realized i posted this on the wrong branch. I was aiming for News.
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Something is seriously wrong with those figures. For example, here's a report from a couple of years ago specifically regarding British nationals:
From this highly trustworthy source DM
In the 12 months up to April 1, 2013 there were 389 British deaths in Thailand, while in the same period up to April 2014 there were 362 deaths and 267 hospitalisations of British tourists.
From this highly trustworthy source DM
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This comparison site is fun, as you can see you are way more likely to be murdered, have AIDS or go to prison in Thailand, even though you'll probably earn more and get to consume more oil and electricity.
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/KH/TH
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/KH/TH
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Never had a problem in Cambodia, but nearly bit the big one in Thailand a few months ago. You have to be careful no matter where you live and not act like an asshole.
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Cambodian stats cannot be relied upon.
Perhaps neither can Thailand's, but I put it to you that the murkiness of Thailand is less than that of Cambodia.
Perhaps neither can Thailand's, but I put it to you that the murkiness of Thailand is less than that of Cambodia.
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The Cambodian stats we are using are our own ones, aren't they? There was an official statement a while back that didn't tally at all even with the deaths reported in the media here. The Thai stats are even more suspect, considering how sophisticated they are at whitewashing anything deemed embarrassing.Petrol Head wrote:Cambodian stats cannot be relied upon.
Perhaps neither can Thailand's, but I put it to you that the murkiness of Thailand is less than that of Cambodia.
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The whitewashing I agree with you - but impliedly there is a degree of motivation to perpetuate whitewashing.Lucky Lucan wrote:The Cambodian stats we are using are our own ones, aren't they? There was an official statement a while back that didn't tally at all even with the deaths reported in the media here. The Thai stats are even more suspect, considering how sophisticated they are at whitewashing anything deemed embarrassing.Petrol Head wrote:Cambodian stats cannot be relied upon.
Perhaps neither can Thailand's, but I put it to you that the murkiness of Thailand is less than that of Cambodia.
Im talking more about the motivation to record incidents in the first place. To be fair, this is on the part of the the victim and the investigators alike.
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The only way those stats would be anywhere near believable is if they classified tourists based on the actual visa they are holding. I could see the number of Cambodian deaths dropping from the figures kept here if you excluded those on business visas and similarly in Thailand if you excluded those on long term extension of stay stamps, ( retirement ), who feature pretty regularly in the Thai reports. There is enough foreign media outlets in Thailand that I don't believe non reporting of deaths due to whitewash is an issue. With the Chinese invasion I'd expect death by swimming to become a key cause in the future, the Chinese have been going under with stunning regularity the last couple of weeks.
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^ Do you think that incidences of Death By Misadventure', or premature death caused by lifestyle factors, from waterskiing to heroin, is higher among tourists in Thailand pound for pound ? Not sure.
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Of the 83 deaths, 34 were from road accidents, nine from swimming and boating accidents, six from congenital disease, four from suicides and 30 from other causes
Assuming those Thai stats aren't whitewashed, it's still extremely difficult to compare to Cambodia - which Id say would 'officially' chalk up:
- 50% of the road deaths (reported, being generous),
- 15% of the swimming and boating deaths, reported.
- Suicides - impossible to tell because they are all reported as heart attacks or wind.
- Misc probably higher due to sloppy investigation and reporting. Fantastically unhelpful.
So err, who the fuck really knows? Where statistics are concerned in SE Asia, Rummy's got it:
there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know
Call it a known, unknown.
This part:
Of the 83 deaths, 34 were from road accidents, nine from swimming and boating accidents, six from congenital disease, four from suicides and 30 from other causes
Assuming those Thai stats aren't whitewashed, it's still extremely difficult to compare to Cambodia - which Id say would 'officially' chalk up:
- 50% of the road deaths (reported, being generous),
- 15% of the swimming and boating deaths, reported.
- Suicides - impossible to tell because they are all reported as heart attacks or wind.
- Misc probably higher due to sloppy investigation and reporting. Fantastically unhelpful.
So err, who the fuck really knows? Where statistics are concerned in SE Asia, Rummy's got it:
there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know
Call it a known, unknown.
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If you include drinking as lifestyle then I would say it's likely as a fair proportion of the road deaths are late night self inflicted drunken accidents in the tourist centers. I can think of a couple straight off locally in the last month. I don't see drugs as ever having been a recurring cause here. The lack of public safety standards in Thailand either road/maritime/watersports safety and the sheer volume of tourists moving around in tour buses/boat trips etc are the big kickers. We probably get more nefarious murders etc which are probably deemed "other" but I would say they are more likely to affect long stayers with business, money or assets rather than 2 week holidaymakers. Just my impression from a long time living in Thailand and reading the death thread on here.
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Interesting.
I guess because you've got better roads (but lax highway patrols), it could ironically that drive up alcohol related fatalities, as you can cover distances at higher speeds.
I guess because you've got better roads (but lax highway patrols), it could ironically that drive up alcohol related fatalities, as you can cover distances at higher speeds.
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