The gruesome moment a mourner slices his arm with a RAZOR BLADE at the funeral of a Cambodian anti-government figure who was gunned down as he drank coffee
By David Jeans For Daily Mail Australia
A man has been pictured slicing open his arm at the funeral of a renowned Cambodian political analyst.
The graphic image shows the man standing above the body of Kem Ley, an anti-government figure in the country's capital Phnom Penh, with a deep and bloodied gash cut into his forearm, about 15 centimetres long.
People take photos with their mobile phones of the middle-aged man who appears to be grimacing as he holds a clenched fist in the air while a concerned Buddhist looks on.
Chuob Samlab was arrested on suspicion of killing the political analyst and was pictured bloodied and surrounded by police.
National police spokesman General Kirth Chantharith said the suspect claimed to have shot Mr Ley because he failed to pay him back for a loan.
Cambodian Prime Minister Samdech Techo Hun Sen on Sunday condemned the killing and ordered the authorities to thoroughly investigate the case.
Hundreds of mourners and political figures attended Mr Ley's funeral in a pagoda on Monday showering his body with flowers and offerings.
He was an anti-government figure and the head of grassroots advocacy group 'Khmer for Khmer'.
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Be interesting to.know the last few numbers called.on that mobile he was picked up with.
Although I bet the cops never check.
Although I bet the cops never check.
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Very very bad example, and IMO this should not be publicized. When a young monk tried self-immolating at a CNRP rally back in 2013, the people on stage very quickly stopped him, rushed him off stage, changed the subject and moved on. It was not mentioned further at that rally or any future rally that I am aware of. And if I remember correctly it received little if any mention in the news. We absolutely do not need young people to get the idea that this sort of self-destructive behavior is acceptable, helpful, commendable or in any way glorious.prahocalypse now wrote:The gruesome moment a mourner slices his arm with a RAZOR BLADE at the funeral of a Cambodian anti-government figure who was gunned down as he drank coffee
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Ya, don't want that because it is just a short step from killing yourself in protest to taking a crack at somebody a bit more important...I mean, if you are planning on dying anyway, why not make it really count? Dangerous times ahead.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
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Are you saying that self-immolation should only be used to stop war (as in the case of the famous photo from Vietnam that did a lot to change InOp) and never to start it?LTO wrote:Very very bad example, and IMO this should not be publicized. When a young monk tried self-immolating at a CNRP rally back in 2013, the people on stage very quickly stopped him, rushed him off stage, changed the subject and moved on. It was not mentioned further at that rally or any future rally that I am aware of. And if I remember correctly it received little if any mention in the news. We absolutely do not need young people to get the idea that this sort of self-destructive behavior is acceptable, helpful, commendable or in any way glorious.prahocalypse now wrote:The gruesome moment a mourner slices his arm with a RAZOR BLADE at the funeral of a Cambodian anti-government figure who was gunned down as he drank coffee
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You completely misinterpreted Thích Quảng Đức's 1963 self-immolation. He was protesting Diệm's persecution of Buddhists, not the war.Mr Lovejuice wrote: Are you saying that self-immolation should only be used to stop war (as in the case of the famous photo from Vietnam that did a lot to change InOp) and never to start it?
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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All that proves is intent and result can be two different things, as the Cambodian monk that tried it found out.Lucky Lucan wrote:You completely misinterpreted Thích Quảng Đức's 1963 self-immolation. He was protesting Diệm's persecution of Buddhists, not the war.Mr Lovejuice wrote:
Are you saying that self-immolation should only be used to stop war (as in the case of the famous photo from Vietnam that did a lot to change InOp) and never to start it?
EDIT It was still a protest against systematic genocide and it definitely helped stop the war.
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What "systematic genocide" are you on about? Are you trying to rewrite history?Mr Lovejuice wrote: EDIT It was still a protest against systematic genocide....
The war escalated sharply after that and didn't end for another 12 years so you aren't making any sense there either....it definitely helped stop the war.
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I don't really see how you can censor this. If someone decided to self-immolate at a protest, rally or funeral, it would be filmed on smartphones. The media could choose not to publish it, but the footage would uploaded to social media, and it would undoubtedly spread like wildfire.LTO wrote:Very very bad example, and IMO this should not be publicized. When a young monk tried self-immolating at a CNRP rally back in 2013, the people on stage very quickly stopped him, rushed him off stage, changed the subject and moved on. It was not mentioned further at that rally or any future rally that I am aware of. And if I remember correctly it received little if any mention in the news. We absolutely do not need young people to get the idea that this sort of self-destructive behavior is acceptable, helpful, commendable or in any way glorious.prahocalypse now wrote:The gruesome moment a mourner slices his arm with a RAZOR BLADE at the funeral of a Cambodian anti-government figure who was gunned down as he drank coffee
If he succeeded it would indeed be all over the place. Partially so because it would've been the first time in Cambodia. Notice how quickly and effectively people around him stopped him, probably because they knew a successful self-immolation would hurt their cause. That's how you censor it: you stop it from happening in the first place.prahocalypse now wrote:I don't really see how you can censor this. If someone decided to self-immolate at a protest, rally or funeral, it would be filmed on smartphones. The media could choose not to publish it, but the footage would uploaded to social media, and it would undoubtedly spread like wildfire.
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/p ... e-disrobedDuring the protest, Dyna launched into a diatribe over Cambodia’s need for justice, touching upon a variety of issues before pulling a bottle of petrol from his robes. Before he could douse himself, those near him quickly wrestled his hand away and pulled him off stage, where he was quickly taken away in a car.
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HE weighs in on the aftermath of Kem Ley's killing: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/w ... it-asks-pm
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HE seems to be of the opinion that it was a "conspiracy". I personally would've thought that the RGC would keep mum and then just put the blame on the gunman for killing Kem Ley and on Kem Ley by suggesting that he embezzled the money. "Choub Samlab" initially said that he gave the USD3,000 to Kem Ley to help poor people but that when Kem Ley didn't use the money for the promised purpose (suggesting that Kem Ley just pocketed it), he demanded it back.
There's also a photo that circulates on Facebook, asking whether there is any resemblance between "Choub Samlab" and a man seen at a CNRP-related meeting...
I find this part interesting:
The police already found and arrested the gunman who confessed he did shoot Kem Ley over a personal issue.Speaking to a gathering of military police, the premier again condemned Sunday’s shooting of the prominent government critic and called for authorities to find and punish the perpetrators or “conspiracy” behind the murder, while also announcing the government would begin a “campaign” to clamp down on crime and increase security.
HE seems to be of the opinion that it was a "conspiracy". I personally would've thought that the RGC would keep mum and then just put the blame on the gunman for killing Kem Ley and on Kem Ley by suggesting that he embezzled the money. "Choub Samlab" initially said that he gave the USD3,000 to Kem Ley to help poor people but that when Kem Ley didn't use the money for the promised purpose (suggesting that Kem Ley just pocketed it), he demanded it back.
There's also a photo that circulates on Facebook, asking whether there is any resemblance between "Choub Samlab" and a man seen at a CNRP-related meeting...
That's him. If you zoom in you can see the mole between the eyes.Joon wrote:There's also a photo that circulates on Facebook, asking whether there is any resemblance between "Choub Samlab" and a man seen at a CNRP-related meeting...
Speaking of moles, there was a story before about CPP members reportedly defecting to CNRP to which Hun Sen replied something along the lines of "try not to meet and talk too much because we have a person at the table listening". CNRP responded that they were not worried because their members were loyal. Does anybody remember what I'm talking about? Maybe "meet to kill" was the mole.
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I may not have ever heard about it if I hadn't been standing just a few meters away in the crowd. I would think they stepped in so quickly because they didn't want to see this young man kill himself. I have a hard time imaging that they had the time in those couple of seconds to consider the political consequences, make the pragmatic decision that it wouldn't work to their advantage, and therefore decide to stop him. And, I would like to think, that if there were doing any moral/political calculations in those couple of seconds, that they were good enough people to understand the potential consequences for Cambodian youth of having this sort of example set. Censorship is not necessary, only that the people with the power to encourage it, whether by allowing it to happen or publishing it, make the responsible choice.Alexandra wrote:If he succeeded it would indeed be all over the place. Partially so because it would've been the first time in Cambodia. Notice how quickly and effectively people around him stopped him, probably because they knew a successful self-immolation would hurt their cause. That's how you censor it: you stop it from happening in the first place.
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