Coronavirus and its effects on Cambodia
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Coronavirus and its effects on Cambodia
There's already one thread of the spread of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), but I thought that it could use another on specifically how it is affecting Cambodia.
Of course there was the one case in SHV of the Chinese man that was gambling in the Queenco, and then three more Chinese nationals that flew from SHV home to China had it. As of now, those are the only confirmed reports we know.
However, this is starting to really affect the economy, as tourist numbers will be massively declining in Siem Reap due to this. Additionally, I feel that a lot of supply chains are going to be hit hard, as Chinese factories remain closed.
How is this affecting peoples' businesses and lives here in Cambodia? Are you noticing smaller crowds in places, or has the average Cambodian forgot about it after a single weekend of wearing masks?
Of course there was the one case in SHV of the Chinese man that was gambling in the Queenco, and then three more Chinese nationals that flew from SHV home to China had it. As of now, those are the only confirmed reports we know.
However, this is starting to really affect the economy, as tourist numbers will be massively declining in Siem Reap due to this. Additionally, I feel that a lot of supply chains are going to be hit hard, as Chinese factories remain closed.
How is this affecting peoples' businesses and lives here in Cambodia? Are you noticing smaller crowds in places, or has the average Cambodian forgot about it after a single weekend of wearing masks?
Regarding tourist in Kampot (or “The ‘pot”. Wankers) it’s pretty busy with lots of young, old and families frequenting the businesses. I hear it’s slower than 2019 but people seem to say that every year.
If the hysteria keeps rolling it’ll effect tourism but I’m betting (hoping) it’ll all be cleared up (swept under the carpet) in time for KNY.
Or it’ll be the start of a global recession....
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If the hysteria keeps rolling it’ll effect tourism but I’m betting (hoping) it’ll all be cleared up (swept under the carpet) in time for KNY.
Or it’ll be the start of a global recession....
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I took a fairly long stroll through town yesterday and thought things did seem oddly quiet in restaurants etc.
That strip of Chinese businesses on Sothearos was deserted. The massage girls were standing on the street waving people in which I've never seen before and the cafes where the Rayban wearing chinamen like to sit outside Sopranos-style were empty with all the doors open.
That strip of Chinese businesses on Sothearos was deserted. The massage girls were standing on the street waving people in which I've never seen before and the cafes where the Rayban wearing chinamen like to sit outside Sopranos-style were empty with all the doors open.
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Local news reports raw material shortages starting as shipments from China have begun drying up. Warnings of factory closings and lay-offs by the beginning of March. 100% deffo not due to EBA (announced tomorrow BTW, but already been leaked in parts).
Tourism sure to take a big hit, but no numbers available yet.
Tourism sure to take a big hit, but no numbers available yet.
Bringing the news. You stay classy, nas, Cambodia.
Lack of supplies from China already causing problems to businesses. So many businesses here are dependent on material / products from China.
Here is an email I received yesterday from one of our suppliers (it's typical of others I have received)
How are you doing recently? I hope it is great.
I am sorry to let you know that the delivery time of xxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxx are delayed because of the virus.
We were planded to reopen factory today but we were informed that factory is not allowed to reopen until 17th,Feb,2020 (provisional).
Workers are not allowed to go outside so we have to work at home...
You are our old and best customer, so we feel great pity to inform you this problem but that's all unexpected.
All we want is go back to work as early as we can and beat the virus.
Please try to understand our situation and we will send goods as fast as we can.
Thank you
Here is an email I received yesterday from one of our suppliers (it's typical of others I have received)
How are you doing recently? I hope it is great.
I am sorry to let you know that the delivery time of xxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxx are delayed because of the virus.
We were planded to reopen factory today but we were informed that factory is not allowed to reopen until 17th,Feb,2020 (provisional).
Workers are not allowed to go outside so we have to work at home...
You are our old and best customer, so we feel great pity to inform you this problem but that's all unexpected.
All we want is go back to work as early as we can and beat the virus.
Please try to understand our situation and we will send goods as fast as we can.
Thank you
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
I also observed that riverside seemed very quiet yesterday, but wasn't sure if that was a result of some places of work being closed for Meak Buchea (my kids had a day off in lieu yesterday).
Last Wednesday I popped in to Aeon 2 to do a bit of shopping and it was quieter than I've ever seen it. The cheap food court areas are usually packed at lunchtime, but not last week.
Last Wednesday I popped in to Aeon 2 to do a bit of shopping and it was quieter than I've ever seen it. The cheap food court areas are usually packed at lunchtime, but not last week.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
Fear is indiscriminate and across all ages and races.
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The virus doesn't like temperatures above roughly 26 Degrees, so "active" spreading at a large scale in Cambodia is pretty unlikely.
Did you see the pictures of hospitalized people in Wuhan ? They are wearing heavy clothing, just to overcome the cold inside the building. That cold in-house environment is your main source of spreading, it's just flue season weather circumstances.
Many, many China buildings simply do not have suitable heating, only air-conditioning for the heat in the summer. The same for many, if not most, airports in China, no heating, only cooling. I was in Hong Kong 2 weeks ago, and it was uncomfortable cold in the airport (some 15 Degrees or so).
Did you see the pictures of hospitalized people in Wuhan ? They are wearing heavy clothing, just to overcome the cold inside the building. That cold in-house environment is your main source of spreading, it's just flue season weather circumstances.
Many, many China buildings simply do not have suitable heating, only air-conditioning for the heat in the summer. The same for many, if not most, airports in China, no heating, only cooling. I was in Hong Kong 2 weeks ago, and it was uncomfortable cold in the airport (some 15 Degrees or so).
That theory appears to be less than universally accepted:
The World Health Organization (WHO) Philippines warned on Saturday, Feb. 8, that the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can survive in both hot and humid climates.
This was one of the rumors and myths the WHO Philippines debunked in its latest Twitter posts.
“2019-nCoV has spread to countries with both hot and humid climates, as well as cold and dry,” WHO Philippines said.
https://news.mb.com.ph/2020/02/08/who-p ... 2ZlRAdjJe8
The World Health Organization (WHO) Philippines warned on Saturday, Feb. 8, that the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can survive in both hot and humid climates.
This was one of the rumors and myths the WHO Philippines debunked in its latest Twitter posts.
“2019-nCoV has spread to countries with both hot and humid climates, as well as cold and dry,” WHO Philippines said.
https://news.mb.com.ph/2020/02/08/who-p ... 2ZlRAdjJe8
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Of course the virus can still be passed in hot/humid conditions, the question is how effectively?
In Wuhan the viral coefficient (R0) has been stated as 2.2. This means that on average every new infection 2.2 will follow, this obviously results in exponential growth curve (in software we say "going viral"), while an R0 of 1 would result in a flat line, or even a negative trend as containment would be more simple.
If the R0 of 2.2 holds for all areas, then we should also be seeing exponential growth of new infections in other areas of China by now, as well as other countries, but we aren't.
In fact in every area of China except for Hong Kong and Heilongjiang the number of new cases when graphed shows a logarithmic curve (decelerating growth).
This is typical:
Here you can see the map of every region that the above screenshot was pulled from:
https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/
Also notice how uneven the death rate is across those regions in China. The only place where this virus looks any more deadly than regular flu is Wuhan, the million dollar question is why?
Some possibilities:
- the virus was far more deadly for those where it was animal->human rather than human->human transfer
- the quarantine caused the health system to collapse and people have died who may have survived elsewhere
- there was a mutation early on towards a less virulent form of the virus
In Wuhan the viral coefficient (R0) has been stated as 2.2. This means that on average every new infection 2.2 will follow, this obviously results in exponential growth curve (in software we say "going viral"), while an R0 of 1 would result in a flat line, or even a negative trend as containment would be more simple.
If the R0 of 2.2 holds for all areas, then we should also be seeing exponential growth of new infections in other areas of China by now, as well as other countries, but we aren't.
In fact in every area of China except for Hong Kong and Heilongjiang the number of new cases when graphed shows a logarithmic curve (decelerating growth).
This is typical:
Here you can see the map of every region that the above screenshot was pulled from:
https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/
Also notice how uneven the death rate is across those regions in China. The only place where this virus looks any more deadly than regular flu is Wuhan, the million dollar question is why?
Some possibilities:
- the virus was far more deadly for those where it was animal->human rather than human->human transfer
- the quarantine caused the health system to collapse and people have died who may have survived elsewhere
- there was a mutation early on towards a less virulent form of the virus
Doesn't like, does not imply "impossible". It is just less likely, an infected "area" will stay infected, when the temperature is higher and the surface gets dried out. Humid area's, like the Philippines and Malaysia have the disadvantage of more condensation, etc.
Cambodia in the dry season, tends to be dry. So, no "living" conditions for a virus, i.e. no liquid, no food, etc.
So, higher temperatures aren't a guarantee, though a significant better protection than a very damp and cold environment.
Cambodia in the dry season, tends to be dry. So, no "living" conditions for a virus, i.e. no liquid, no food, etc.
So, higher temperatures aren't a guarantee, though a significant better protection than a very damp and cold environment.
Good science that and I don't pretend to understand it all but Chinese friends tell me pretty much every new doctor and nurse has been sent to Wuhan so a further possibility is that there are better detection and recording of cases there?starkmonster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:09 pmOf course the virus can still be passed in hot/humid conditions, the question is how effectively?
In Wuhan the viral coefficient (R0) has been stated as 2.2. This means that on average every new infection 2.2 will follow, this obviously results in exponential growth curve (in software we say "going viral"), while an R0 of 1 would result in a flat line, or even a negative trend as containment would be more simple.
If the R0 of 2.2 holds for all areas, then we should also be seeing exponential growth of new infections in other areas of China by now, as well as other countries, but we aren't.
In fact in every area of China except for Hong Kong and Heilongjiang the number of new cases when graphed shows a logarithmic curve (decelerating growth).
This is typical:
Here you can see the map of every region that the above screenshot was pulled from:
https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/
Also notice how uneven the death rate is across those regions in China. The only place where this virus looks any more deadly than regular flu is Wuhan, the million dollar question is why?
Some possibilities:
- the virus was far more deadly for those where it was animal->human rather than human->human transfer
- the quarantine caused the health system to collapse and people have died who may have survived elsewhere
- there was a mutation early on towards a less virulent form of the virus
Ordering through AliExpress is also troublesome. You can do it but none of my orders has been shipped recently. One of the vendors told me yesterday that the delivery companies still have not started working again as the government had extended the New Year holidays.
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Welcome passengers.
A cruise ship that was turned away from several ports in Asia over coronavirus fears—despite no cases onboard—will now dock in Cambodia after days of uncertainty and mounting anxiety among passengers.
Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogo ... 0a28154ab5It will now dock in Sihanoukville in Cambodia on Thursday, where passengers will disembark over a few day and will be transported to the capital, Phnom Penh, and flown home. Holland America Line says it will pay for the flight sand refund passengers their entire trip.
Pardon my engrish, thanks you.
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