Alcohol Sales Banned/No dining-in
I've heard Brazil is nice , no lockdown there and only 500000 tipped to die by July . As long as one is not included in that 500000 cafes and bars are open to be enjoyed by the lucky ones .
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Why are you drinking a midstrength beer?
It's not one or the other, it's both.frigidaire wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:37 pmAh yes, you mean those distances kept in factories where - without a drop of alcohol! - most clusters are now.v12 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 pmHmmm, another frozen idiot, thinking s/he knows better.frigidaire wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:07 pmWelcome in the Kingdom of Idiots. The virus of course travels through beer cans and other alcoholic beverages. It's fear mongering at its finest here.
I've not seen this ridiculous measure anywhere (maybe with the exception of the idiot nation called Thailand?).
And by the way, what do they spread everywhere to 'kill' the virus?
No, with only 1-2 beers, things start to become comfy, and you start forgetting to keep distance, etc. Better go to Antarctica ...........
And, yep, from the health point of view, it is completely not understandable, the factories aren't closed, as these were a year ago, when there was effectively not that much going on (and with a far less infectious Covid-19 version).
From the economic/financial side, it's understandable the factories are kept going, because that brings in a lot of money from abroad. Time will tell, whether this approach is the better one.
This whole problem of sneaky, comes from the overall approach, where people are ripped away from their environment, once suspected to be infected. IE, the dictatorial approach, government running behind reality and having insufficient resources to enforce (why do you think, the complete military got jabbed ???). With such an approach, people hide and try to sneak out, etc.Orichá wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:36 amI think things are well out of control... How will they stop people from sneaking back to their home provinces so they don't starve to death? Stopping the sale of alcohol right before New Year is a simple attempt to prevent secret groups gathering... It might not work... Since it is the holiday -- people will find a way to get it anyway...
Look at this: over 600 infections in ONE factory? How did that remain undetected so long for so many to get it? Unfortunately, it will be really difficult to contain this...
https://cne.wtf/2021/04/10/factory-covi ... cked-down/
It's pretty clear, PP should have been in complete lockdown since 4-5 days, the minimum. Signs for that, where the number of people brought to hospitals and dropping dead, right away. Each of these people would be an undetected cluster, already spreading for some 2-3 weeks already.
So, yeah, things are really going haywire at the moment. Thanks, Bojo !
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The suprising thing is that most factory workers routinely wear face masks even before the pandemic started because of the microfibers floating in the air , also the better ones would have very good ventilation and hand washing regimes. I guess the virus was more likely spread outside the factories in the cramped accommodation quarters and communial markets.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 amI'd guess that none/very few are actually sick
k440, something to do when you're pissed.
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I wonder how frequently they renew their mask or wash it if it is a reusable one. Also, if they are anything like the average wearer in other countries, they aren’t sanitising/washing hands every time they touch their mask. Masks help reduce the risk but they aren’t bulletproofhorace wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:16 amThe suprising thing is that most factory workers routinely wear face masks even before the pandemic started because of the microfibers floating in the air , also the better ones would have very good ventilation and hand washing regimes. I guess the virus was more likely spread outside the factories in the cramped accommodation quarters and communial markets.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 amI'd guess that none/very few are actually sick
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And if you ever are near the factories at kicking out time you will see them crowding out often through one small doorway. No social distancing, girls walking around holding hands and hugging each other.violet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 amI wonder how frequently they renew their mask or wash it if it is a reusable one. Also, if they are anything like the average wearer in other countries, they aren’t sanitising/washing hands every time they touch their mask. Masks help reduce the risk but they aren’t bulletproofhorace wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:16 amThe suprising thing is that most factory workers routinely wear face masks even before the pandemic started because of the microfibers floating in the air , also the better ones would have very good ventilation and hand washing regimes. I guess the virus was more likely spread outside the factories in the cramped accommodation quarters and communial markets.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 amI'd guess that none/very few are actually sick
The mask wearing is a false flag here. People lift masks to sneeze or cough (one of my staff tried to convince me that you really should lift the mask to sneeze as the Covid germs would be in your mask and then you could breathe them in - he couldn't understand that the germs in mask were his already).
They pick their teeth and nose, rub their eyes frequently and wash their hands at start and end of shift. They eat and wash their utensils together.
Those places are like Petri dishes.
I too feel Cambodia's virus control as we knew it is now truly lost. Once it runs through dense workplaces like many factories and local markets, there is no easy path back to, say, October 2020.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean we have only two choices before us: either long-term indefinite FULL Lockdowns; or letting Cambodia slide rapidly towards the current Brazil situation.
Very few countries did Covid-19 really well, but for whatever reason, Cambodia had a phenomenally successful first 12 months. (NOT talking $$$ here, every country with trade and tourism has of course taken a huge $ hit.) Now, today, Cambodia needs to change what Covid-19 success means. It won't go back to single digit newly confirmed cases in 2021.
So, Good on ya Cambodia, try this Khmer New Year shut down. AND do full on testing, tracing, isolating, right through the holiday as fast as you possible can. Try to be transparent with the facts and with clear and consistent, science based messaging. Bump up support for isolated and quarantined poor. (Me personally, I'd require Naga - or the other powerful folk who covered up for them and the Chinese girl's private jet - to foot the first 20 million $ of the bill.) Do all the hardcore stuff full-on for the next few weeks.
Then re-evaluate. Take a breath. Sell beer! Accept a 7-day new case average of 60-150/day as OK to open up pretty much everything, pretty much everywhere (schools, restaurants, bars, even gyms) but with enforced, fair, rules and conditions. Well over that 150 average, but if the trend is stable or declining, most things, most places, can open. Working together, people and government need to find a way that limits infection - not stops it 100%, but allows work to go on.
Now, or in two weeks, Cambodia needs to accept it has finally joined the pandemic.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean we have only two choices before us: either long-term indefinite FULL Lockdowns; or letting Cambodia slide rapidly towards the current Brazil situation.
Very few countries did Covid-19 really well, but for whatever reason, Cambodia had a phenomenally successful first 12 months. (NOT talking $$$ here, every country with trade and tourism has of course taken a huge $ hit.) Now, today, Cambodia needs to change what Covid-19 success means. It won't go back to single digit newly confirmed cases in 2021.
So, Good on ya Cambodia, try this Khmer New Year shut down. AND do full on testing, tracing, isolating, right through the holiday as fast as you possible can. Try to be transparent with the facts and with clear and consistent, science based messaging. Bump up support for isolated and quarantined poor. (Me personally, I'd require Naga - or the other powerful folk who covered up for them and the Chinese girl's private jet - to foot the first 20 million $ of the bill.) Do all the hardcore stuff full-on for the next few weeks.
Then re-evaluate. Take a breath. Sell beer! Accept a 7-day new case average of 60-150/day as OK to open up pretty much everything, pretty much everywhere (schools, restaurants, bars, even gyms) but with enforced, fair, rules and conditions. Well over that 150 average, but if the trend is stable or declining, most things, most places, can open. Working together, people and government need to find a way that limits infection - not stops it 100%, but allows work to go on.
Now, or in two weeks, Cambodia needs to accept it has finally joined the pandemic.
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Ha. Yeah. Not surprisedផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:04 pmAnd if you ever are near the factories at kicking out time you will see them crowding out often through one small doorway. No social distancing, girls walking around holding hands and hugging each other.violet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 amI wonder how frequently they renew their mask or wash it if it is a reusable one. Also, if they are anything like the average wearer in other countries, they aren’t sanitising/washing hands every time they touch their mask. Masks help reduce the risk but they aren’t bulletproofhorace wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:16 amThe suprising thing is that most factory workers routinely wear face masks even before the pandemic started because of the microfibers floating in the air , also the better ones would have very good ventilation and hand washing regimes. I guess the virus was more likely spread outside the factories in the cramped accommodation quarters and communial markets.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 amI'd guess that none/very few are actually sick
The mask wearing is a false flag here. People lift masks to sneeze or cough (one of my staff tried to convince me that you really should lift the mask to sneeze as the Covid germs would be in your mask and then you could breathe them in - he couldn't understand that the germs in mask were his already).
They pick their teeth and nose, rub their eyes frequently and wash their hands at start and end of shift. They eat and wash their utensils together.
Those places are like Petri dishes.
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Full lockdown in PP does not imply permanently. Just 2-4 weeks or so.
There are good reasons from health perspective to go into full lockdown. The way the death people arrive at the hospital suggests, there is already a large (if not huge) community spread, at unknown locations. Assuming half of the Covid-19 deaths do move through a hospital and assuming a death rate of 1%, it implies, we do have already around 2000 unknown infected people in the community. And there is only one way to get that stamped out: Full lockdown.
Combined with vaccination for those who are unavoidable in proximity to each-other may help, with an unfortunate initial rise in numbers (vaccine takes some time to become effective).
There are good reasons from health perspective to go into full lockdown. The way the death people arrive at the hospital suggests, there is already a large (if not huge) community spread, at unknown locations. Assuming half of the Covid-19 deaths do move through a hospital and assuming a death rate of 1%, it implies, we do have already around 2000 unknown infected people in the community. And there is only one way to get that stamped out: Full lockdown.
Combined with vaccination for those who are unavoidable in proximity to each-other may help, with an unfortunate initial rise in numbers (vaccine takes some time to become effective).
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But full lockdown means little here.
All locals know side streets and shortcuts. many people will continue to do their own things but adjust so they don't get caught.
It's only the dim (or drunk) who will get caught at a roadblock and fined.
Unless the peelers are changing their hiding places each night...which I'm sure they won't be.
All locals know side streets and shortcuts. many people will continue to do their own things but adjust so they don't get caught.
It's only the dim (or drunk) who will get caught at a roadblock and fined.
Unless the peelers are changing their hiding places each night...which I'm sure they won't be.
I agree with you about the reality, though the whole trick is to bring down the R0 below (preferably a lot below) 1. You can accomplish that, even when only part of the population adheres. An R0 significantly below 1, implies, the community spread dies out (or better reduces)ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:48 pmBut full lockdown means little here.
All locals know side streets and shortcuts. many people will continue to do their own things but adjust so they don't get caught.
It's only the dim (or drunk) who will get caught at a roadblock and fined.
Unless the peelers are changing their hiding places each night...which I'm sure they won't be.
And, yep, the better/more people adhere to the lockdown, the faster the community spread goes down. Though the main focus is often to get things back to "manageable", to health authorities aren't overwhelmed at the hospital level, as well the contact tracing / quarantining. And then, it is just a matter of time, before the vaccine spread starts helping.
And the fewer people need to be quarantined, the better overall acceptance of the measures put in place.
I’d like to see all those who are pro-lockdown to be heavily taxed to support all the people who lost their jobs due to lockdowns and can’t put food on the table for their hungry kids. Their tune would then change in a blink.
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I was working with a nice 60 plus old boy who was so concerned about Covid he put Dettol on his hands, then rubber gloves on top.violet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 amI wonder how frequently they renew their mask or wash it if it is a reusable one. Also, if they are anything like the average wearer in other countries, they aren’t sanitising/washing hands every time they touch their mask. Masks help reduce the risk but they aren’t bulletproofhorace wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:16 amThe suprising thing is that most factory workers routinely wear face masks even before the pandemic started because of the microfibers floating in the air , also the better ones would have very good ventilation and hand washing regimes. I guess the virus was more likely spread outside the factories in the cramped accommodation quarters and communial markets.ReasonstobefearfulP3 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 amI'd guess that none/very few are actually sick
The skin on his hands started to peel off and rash.
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