US seizes tanker used to evade North Korea sanctions
US says 2,734-tonne M/T Courageous was seized in Cambodia after it transferred more than $1.5m worth of oil to a North Korean ship.
source> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/3 ... orth-korea
Old Cambodia Buddy Kim won't be amused. People in NK are already starving so what's the scope ? Kill all NKeans by starvation without fighting another non winable war ?
Oil Tanker heading to North Korea seized, now in Sihanoukville
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Agreed, it is not like sanctions ever worked. Sure Kim and the elite are not starving.
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They are, apparently the boss has been losing weight and his people's hearts are broken:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/2 ... orth-korea
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
New, cool, proxy war? (Evidence free random speculation.)
NK is Korean, not CCP, but NK leaders, it seems, feel closer to CCP. Further, when/if NK has big problems, the CCP bear the first impact.
The CCP want to draw countries near and far into their orbit as a rich, modern, talented alternative to the west They really don't want to deal with millions of starving refugees streaming across their frontier, especially with all the countries they desire as satellites closely observing how they treat their nearest friend.My two-bit analysis is no doubt flawed, but that doesn't mean the same thing might not have occurred to some war games type in the west considering NK options.
Trump, maybe failed in a couple of things in his life, but his attempts with NK were at least different, and nothing else had worked before. Since his approach bore no success either, and no obvious course of action currently tempts, why not try to make NK very much a CCP's problem? Then either the CCP needs to become part of the solution, or deal with the fallout.
NK is Korean, not CCP, but NK leaders, it seems, feel closer to CCP. Further, when/if NK has big problems, the CCP bear the first impact.
The CCP want to draw countries near and far into their orbit as a rich, modern, talented alternative to the west They really don't want to deal with millions of starving refugees streaming across their frontier, especially with all the countries they desire as satellites closely observing how they treat their nearest friend.My two-bit analysis is no doubt flawed, but that doesn't mean the same thing might not have occurred to some war games type in the west considering NK options.
Trump, maybe failed in a couple of things in his life, but his attempts with NK were at least different, and nothing else had worked before. Since his approach bore no success either, and no obvious course of action currently tempts, why not try to make NK very much a CCP's problem? Then either the CCP needs to become part of the solution, or deal with the fallout.
How can the US seize a NK ship in Cambodia, a sovereign country?
Who boarded it or seized it?
Who boarded it or seized it?
My concern is that we're sitting (in Cambodia) in the middle of a possible future nasty war between the US and China/Russia/North Korea in and around the south china sea. North Korean's are already at the edge eventhough i agree that the NK Gov. is probably still living a luxury life compared to it's citizens. Once that changes the tinderbox could go off because there is nothing to loose anymore. Sure China and Russia will try to prevent such a szenario which would bring the conflict right to their borders but NK has show a lot of will when it comes to push through it's own defense program, pretty much like the Chinese did in the South China Sea. From then onwards i don't even want to think about all the consequences a conflict like this will have. I hope the US Gov. and it's Thinktanks keep that in mind, too.
This surprises you? They do what they want under the premise it is for the greater good, lol.fidget wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:29 amHow can the US seize a NK ship in Cambodia, a sovereign country?...
Remember, the US couldn't even be bothered to formally declare war on Vietnam.
There won’t ever be any “wars” in the traditional sense.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
How about expatting to Antarctica ? Too cold to do traditional warfare .......Expatissimo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:36 amMy concern is that we're sitting (in Cambodia) in the middle of a possible future nasty war between the US and China/Russia/North Korea in and around the south china sea. North Korean's are already at the edge eventhough i agree that the NK Gov. is probably still living a luxury life compared to it's citizens. Once that changes the tinderbox could go off because there is nothing to loose anymore. Sure China and Russia will try to prevent such a szenario which would bring the conflict right to their borders but NK has show a lot of will when it comes to push through it's own defense program, pretty much like the Chinese did in the South China Sea. From then onwards i don't even want to think about all the consequences a conflict like this will have. I hope the US Gov. and it's Thinktanks keep that in mind, too.
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Not sure about that, Hanno. The long-game has North Korea steadily weakening in relation to South Korea and sanctions continue to play their part.
In 1966 when the Chollima took on Portugal in the quarterfinal of the World Cup (qualifying for the tournament by beating Australia in Phnom Penh, no less), North Korea was on a high. It was economically, culturally and militarily the superior Korea. It was seen internationally as such and this made it, at least in its own eyes, the legitimate Korea. This started to change and by 1988 South Korea had well surpassed the North economically and hosted the Olympics, raising its legitimacy as the dominant Korea culturally. Now South Korea has co-hosted the World Cup, hosted the Winter Olympics and is exporting Korean culture through food and music internationally. When people say "Korea" they mean the mob in Seoul, not Pyongyang..
Sanctions expand this dichotomy and make it increasingly difficult for the regime in Pyongyang to maintain the line of cultural legitimacy. North Koreans with K-Pop and Korean soap dramas face the death penalty and it is even a crime to use slang terms that originate from the South.
Is the inter-generational misery inflicted upon millions of people worth this geo-political gain? That is a good question indeed as even North Korea's erstwhile allies wish it would change.
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