It's called "free speech"...Google it!Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:14 amWhy do you people always seek to insult everyone? Why are you always so angry and bitter?
Oh that's right can't search something like that in China.
Post by Marvin » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 am
It's called "free speech"...Google it!Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:14 amWhy do you people always seek to insult everyone? Why are you always so angry and bitter?
Post by Lucky Lucan » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:51 am
It's called an "ad hominem". It's a fallacy used by people when they don't have any real argument - so they are reduced to using prejudice and emotions rather than intellect.Guest wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:14 amWhy do you people always seek to insult everyone? Why are you always so angry and bitter?
Post by Winnie the Pooh (!TJbypRvkjQ) » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 am
Post by Lucky Lucan » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:39 pm
Post by Prahok » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:44 pm
The desire for control through conformity stifles creativity. The changing of the end of "Fight Club" is a good example.Winnie the Pooh wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 amWe would have said "only in China":
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/22531 ... rities-win
However with the woke left and BLM the West is unfortunately censoring and rewriting history as well.
Maybe we should change the title of this thread as it has derailed slightly.
Post by YaTingPom » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:09 pm
You may be correct, however, you’re a STUCK-UP, HALF-WITTED, SCRUFFY-LOOKING NERF HERDER!Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:39 pmWho is offended? I just find it pathetic when people don't have an argument so they resort to childish name calling.
Post by santa's dwarf (!3zbp5q3EWM) » Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:45 am
ROTFLMAO.
Post by Prahok » Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:30 am
Indeed. Interpretation of facts is undertaken by the winners; dividing the World neatly into goodies and baddies. Historians just record what happened. The moment you try to attribute morals to these facts, or decide which facts are to be publicised and which hidden from the record, then you are no longer a historian.santa's dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:45 amROTFLMAO.
“History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books—books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon? '”
Post by crazyjohn » Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:17 pm
Post by doctordoom (!3zbp5q3EWM) » Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:36 pm
The vast majority of historians do not just record what happened.
Post by Prahok » Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:16 pm
It is a challenge, particularly once history goes beyond record and relationships are assumed. Humans are not robots, so absolute objectivity in matter of social interaction is unattainable simply as observation itself involves a measure subjectivity. It is the challenge of historians to do their best to dampen these inherent internal biases. This is where peer agreement on positions plays a role, but that again is subject to societal trends.doctordoom wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:36 pmThe vast majority of historians do not just record what happened.
The hardest thing for any historian, even writing their own accounts soon after the event, and as a primary source, is not to let their (natural?)bias interfere with what they write. Most don't get it right.
And when people are in excited states, they see things differently, so what they thought they saw was in fact something slightly different. With time, alternative memory (the creation of new memories) steps in, and that just adds to the mix.