Higher Wages for Teflers On the Horizon?
I'm not looking for work, just trying to ascertain if teacher wages in Cambodia might be rising over the next 6 months by collecting some supply and demand info. I can see that most board members and serial guests, have zero interest in teacher wages in Cambodia. Cheers, and bye.
Just to start discussion, I'm choosing a fairly random rate of $14/contact hour. Does anyone know of any schools in Cambodia now actually looking for teachers that pays that rate or higher? Are they currently able to hire the teachers they need at that rate, or not?
(I understand that monthly salaries are nearly as common as hourly rates, and I understand that while some would be happy to get $14/contact hour, a few wouldn't get out of bed for twice that. No one in this thread would speculate about how many teachers bailed on Cambodia due to the virus shutdown but I'm just trying to get a feel for the present state of the teacher labour pool in Cambodia. Did Vlad leave Cambodia? Anyone know any teachers who left?)
Just to start discussion, I'm choosing a fairly random rate of $14/contact hour. Does anyone know of any schools in Cambodia now actually looking for teachers that pays that rate or higher? Are they currently able to hire the teachers they need at that rate, or not?
(I understand that monthly salaries are nearly as common as hourly rates, and I understand that while some would be happy to get $14/contact hour, a few wouldn't get out of bed for twice that. No one in this thread would speculate about how many teachers bailed on Cambodia due to the virus shutdown but I'm just trying to get a feel for the present state of the teacher labour pool in Cambodia. Did Vlad leave Cambodia? Anyone know any teachers who left?)
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ACE?Guest999 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:53 amI'm not looking for work, just trying to ascertain if teacher wages in Cambodia might be rising over the next 6 months by collecting some supply and demand info. I can see that most board members and serial guests, have zero interest in teacher wages in Cambodia. Cheers, and bye.
Just to start discussion, I'm choosing a fairly random rate of $14/contact hour. Does anyone know of any schools in Cambodia now actually looking for teachers that pays that rate or higher? Are they currently able to hire the teachers they need at that rate, or not?
Sorry for the long answer.
Yes, including ACE, but aren't there quite a few schools that pay around $14/hr and higher. I'm interested in Language school teachers, sure, but also the much larger numbers of expats doing a variety of subjects at Pre-schools, K-12 "international" schools, and the various "University" programs in Cambodia. (Note: the few best international schools deserve the title, though 90+% of them do not, hence the quotation marks. Similar-ish, I feel, with "Universities": none deserve that title for ALL their offerings, but 2-3 (more??) have programs that have decent teachers/profs and OK learning outcomes for their smarter students.)
So, looking at pretty much all private education in Cambodia, aren't there a lot of places that pay $14/hr or higher?
Since you mention ACE angsta, lets look at them. in the 90's ACE teachers were doing well. Life was cheap, commutes were short and pleasant, and take-home wages for expats were... exactly the same as now, over 25 years later. Living expenses have doubled and income tax is now deducted, but what teachers can put in their pockets is still about $15/hr for many/most classes, and $28-35/contact hr for a variety of special classes. ACE was ALWAYS a cash cow for IDP, and even if that became dwarfed by IELTS takings the last dozen years or so, ACE stayed famous within IDP as a testing ground and a model of what was possible. ACE deserves it's fame in Cambodia, and within IDP, and it probably should get a bit more attention than it now does within Australian Foreign Service: the little school that could!
I don't know as much about rates in other big language schools, except that they generally pay slightly less than ACE. However, if many/most teachers, qualified, competent, skilled and otherwise, left the country over the last 9 months, then many of the schools that don't want to compromise on quality will need to work harder to attract and hold teachers. $$ is always a big one, but there are many ways to be good to staff. Getting honest respect from all levels of the organization is a very fine place to start, because at the moment, cash is tight all around.
Yes, including ACE, but aren't there quite a few schools that pay around $14/hr and higher. I'm interested in Language school teachers, sure, but also the much larger numbers of expats doing a variety of subjects at Pre-schools, K-12 "international" schools, and the various "University" programs in Cambodia. (Note: the few best international schools deserve the title, though 90+% of them do not, hence the quotation marks. Similar-ish, I feel, with "Universities": none deserve that title for ALL their offerings, but 2-3 (more??) have programs that have decent teachers/profs and OK learning outcomes for their smarter students.)
So, looking at pretty much all private education in Cambodia, aren't there a lot of places that pay $14/hr or higher?
Since you mention ACE angsta, lets look at them. in the 90's ACE teachers were doing well. Life was cheap, commutes were short and pleasant, and take-home wages for expats were... exactly the same as now, over 25 years later. Living expenses have doubled and income tax is now deducted, but what teachers can put in their pockets is still about $15/hr for many/most classes, and $28-35/contact hr for a variety of special classes. ACE was ALWAYS a cash cow for IDP, and even if that became dwarfed by IELTS takings the last dozen years or so, ACE stayed famous within IDP as a testing ground and a model of what was possible. ACE deserves it's fame in Cambodia, and within IDP, and it probably should get a bit more attention than it now does within Australian Foreign Service: the little school that could!
I don't know as much about rates in other big language schools, except that they generally pay slightly less than ACE. However, if many/most teachers, qualified, competent, skilled and otherwise, left the country over the last 9 months, then many of the schools that don't want to compromise on quality will need to work harder to attract and hold teachers. $$ is always a big one, but there are many ways to be good to staff. Getting honest respect from all levels of the organization is a very fine place to start, because at the moment, cash is tight all around.
Having been around some Filipinos, I've got the feeling schools teaching kids would primarily hire Filipina teachers. More flexible, no bitching, cheaper and no oversized ego.
'Having been around some Filipinos, I've got the feeling schools teaching kids would primarily hire Filipina teachers. More flexible, no bitching, cheaper and no oversized ego.'
Chip on shoulder bcoz qualified ones wouldn't do your voluntourism scam?
Chip on shoulder bcoz qualified ones wouldn't do your voluntourism scam?
ISPP, Northbridge, R. Decartes, and other top international schools are open for in class studies. Let's say we label their student numbers end Jan 2020 as 100%, anyone working in one care to say the rough % they are now operating at?
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I heard ACE had cut wages for ex-pats and Khmer staff.
wages won't be going up any time soon. With the tourism sector on its arse.
wages won't be going up any time soon. With the tourism sector on its arse.
I would be very surprised if they made long-term across the board cuts, and somewhat surprised about hourly wage cuts at all.
ACE had been expanding rapidly, seemingly moving from strength to strength, and unless they had debt, and I have absolutely no info about that, I can't see why Covid would be much more than a 12-18 month pause in expansion.
That said, If you were talking about their Siem Reap Branch in particular, yes the crash in tourism investment might have forced a radical drop in student numbers.
Can anyone verify ACE teacher wages have been reduced?
ACE had been expanding rapidly, seemingly moving from strength to strength, and unless they had debt, and I have absolutely no info about that, I can't see why Covid would be much more than a 12-18 month pause in expansion.
That said, If you were talking about their Siem Reap Branch in particular, yes the crash in tourism investment might have forced a radical drop in student numbers.
Can anyone verify ACE teacher wages have been reduced?
Not firsthand knowledge but talking to people in the business, lots of people held off registering kids for school until the government clarified what was going on but after that, everyone signed up. Schools that were fully subscribed (many with wait lists) before COVID-19 are in the same position now.
Which, 1984, brings us back to this thread's OP: If schools bounce back, because the students didn't go anywhere and the tuition remains OK (yes, this begs economic questions), BUT, a substantial number of teachers blew off home , either due to virus fears or virus caused cash flow problems, then the schools will become short staffed.
They can hire different teachers, more Khmer and/or more Filipino -bad only if quality went down, and that isn't necessarily true, or they can hire back from overseas, or they can raise wages or benefits and try to poach good teachers from their competitors.
As schools continue to pick up Nov-Dec, but the virus continues to increase travel fears worldwide, I suspect teacher poaching to increase. $$, yes, but schools wanting to get, and hold, good teachers will need to stop abusing them, and treat them with respect. At first this will apply more to talented, glossy, white teachers. (Racist, sure, but many parents, and some school admin, are.) The hope is, of course, that the need to keep 'stars' on staff will open the eyes of admin more generally. They will finally clue in to the fact that a good institution is one where EVERYONE, feels valued. (cue orchestra to Copeland's "Fanfare for Modern Man")
(Wow, SAYING that was awful easy! Maybe I should work more consistently at it too!)
They can hire different teachers, more Khmer and/or more Filipino -bad only if quality went down, and that isn't necessarily true, or they can hire back from overseas, or they can raise wages or benefits and try to poach good teachers from their competitors.
As schools continue to pick up Nov-Dec, but the virus continues to increase travel fears worldwide, I suspect teacher poaching to increase. $$, yes, but schools wanting to get, and hold, good teachers will need to stop abusing them, and treat them with respect. At first this will apply more to talented, glossy, white teachers. (Racist, sure, but many parents, and some school admin, are.) The hope is, of course, that the need to keep 'stars' on staff will open the eyes of admin more generally. They will finally clue in to the fact that a good institution is one where EVERYONE, feels valued. (cue orchestra to Copeland's "Fanfare for Modern Man")
(Wow, SAYING that was awful easy! Maybe I should work more consistently at it too!)
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I think ACE is fairly immune. Their bread and butter was always milking the NGOs and that racket just goes from strength to strength.
Hark. What’s that plaintive wailing?
Oh nothing: just the perpetual whine of down at heel teflers forever angry that their schools make money because they know the teachers have no other employment options.
Oh nothing: just the perpetual whine of down at heel teflers forever angry that their schools make money because they know the teachers have no other employment options.
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Yes, one post in 9 months is "perpetual whining".Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:52 pm... the perpetual whine...
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