GEP texts at ACE?
GEP texts at ACE?
Curious, anyone know what text books ACE now uses for it's General English Program?
Cheers fidget.
ACE GEP uses English File in Phnom Penh and probably, but not clearly, in Siem Reap as well.
I knew ACE well, but not for a while. I have more questions, but I'll kill anyone's desire to find them by burying them in old details. Even if you have read so far, I'd advise you to stop reading now. (I just tried to reread what I wrote, but wisely decided to stop. Seriously.)
ACE (Then Australian Centre for English), ran a 12 Level program by the end of UNTAC, but soon added some A/B levels to make a 15 Level English language curriculum. Next, to tailor their offerings to student weaknesses, they inserted "Listening & Speaking", and "Reading & Writing" Skills Levels at 4, 6, 8. and 10. The best students might skip the Skills levels, but most would take one or both depending on their earlier exam results. Thus hypothetical fast learners, generally students using English a lot outside of ACE classes, might still need just 15 terms to move from Level 1 to Level 12 and an IELTS test. (I say hypothetical because relatively few students now start in Level 1 and go right through. Most start 'Kids' or 'Young Learners', because of their age, and move over to, say Level 4, skipping part of GEP. Or, they enter ACE with some ability already, and placement test into low GEP but again skipping some.)I think these Skill levels were shown on older ACE Program lists. They are not shown on the current lists fidget linked to. Has ACE stopped offering them as part of GEP?
Rationale?
The single question above was so dull I forgot the other. Perhaps any masochists making it through the above could add a question to this thread, thus extending the pain for all concerned. Thanks.
Bless
ACE GEP uses English File in Phnom Penh and probably, but not clearly, in Siem Reap as well.
I knew ACE well, but not for a while. I have more questions, but I'll kill anyone's desire to find them by burying them in old details. Even if you have read so far, I'd advise you to stop reading now. (I just tried to reread what I wrote, but wisely decided to stop. Seriously.)
ACE (Then Australian Centre for English), ran a 12 Level program by the end of UNTAC, but soon added some A/B levels to make a 15 Level English language curriculum. Next, to tailor their offerings to student weaknesses, they inserted "Listening & Speaking", and "Reading & Writing" Skills Levels at 4, 6, 8. and 10. The best students might skip the Skills levels, but most would take one or both depending on their earlier exam results. Thus hypothetical fast learners, generally students using English a lot outside of ACE classes, might still need just 15 terms to move from Level 1 to Level 12 and an IELTS test. (I say hypothetical because relatively few students now start in Level 1 and go right through. Most start 'Kids' or 'Young Learners', because of their age, and move over to, say Level 4, skipping part of GEP. Or, they enter ACE with some ability already, and placement test into low GEP but again skipping some.)I think these Skill levels were shown on older ACE Program lists. They are not shown on the current lists fidget linked to. Has ACE stopped offering them as part of GEP?
Rationale?
The single question above was so dull I forgot the other. Perhaps any masochists making it through the above could add a question to this thread, thus extending the pain for all concerned. Thanks.
Bless
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Bloody hell. Use paragraphs.
Guest9999 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:58 pmCheers fidget.
ACE GEP uses English File in Phnom Penh and probably, but not clearly, in Siem Reap as well.
I knew ACE well, but not for a while.
I have more questions, but I'll kill anyone's desire to find them by burying them in old details. Even if you have read so far, I'd advise you to stop reading now. (I just tried to reread what I wrote, but wisely decided to stop. Seriously.)
ACE (Then Australian Centre for English), ran a 12 Level program by the end of UNTAC, but soon added some A/B levels to make a 15 Level English language curriculum.
Next, to tailor their offerings to student weaknesses, they inserted "Listening & Speaking", and "Reading & Writing" Skills Levels at 4, 6, 8. and 10.
The best students might skip the Skills levels, but most would take one or both depending on their earlier exam results. Thus hypothetical fast learners, generally students using English a lot outside of ACE classes, might still need just 15 terms to move from Level 1 to Level 12 and an IELTS test. (I say hypothetical because relatively few students now start in Level 1 and go right through.
Most start 'Kids' or 'Young Learners', because of their age, and move over to, say Level 4, skipping part of GEP. Or, they enter ACE with some ability already, and placement test into low GEP but again skipping some.)
I think these Skill levels were shown on older ACE Program lists. They are not shown on the current lists fidget linked to.
Has ACE stopped offering them as part of GEP?
Rationale?
The single question above was so dull I forgot the other. Perhaps any masochists making it through the above could add a question to this thread, thus extending the pain for all concerned. Thanks.
Bless
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If you are who I think you are, what do ACD use now? Still Headway?Guest9999 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:58 pmCheers fidget.
ACE GEP uses English File in Phnom Penh and probably, but not clearly, in Siem Reap as well.
I knew ACE well, but not for a while. I have more questions, but I'll kill anyone's desire to find them by burying them in old details. Even if you have read so far, I'd advise you to stop reading now. (I just tried to reread what I wrote, but wisely decided to stop. Seriously.)
ACE (Then Australian Centre for English), ran a 12 Level program by the end of UNTAC, but soon added some A/B levels to make a 15 Level English language curriculum. Next, to tailor their offerings to student weaknesses, they inserted "Listening & Speaking", and "Reading & Writing" Skills Levels at 4, 6, 8. and 10. The best students might skip the Skills levels, but most would take one or both depending on their earlier exam results. Thus hypothetical fast learners, generally students using English a lot outside of ACE classes, might still need just 15 terms to move from Level 1 to Level 12 and an IELTS test. (I say hypothetical because relatively few students now start in Level 1 and go right through. Most start 'Kids' or 'Young Learners', because of their age, and move over to, say Level 4, skipping part of GEP. Or, they enter ACE with some ability already, and placement test into low GEP but again skipping some.)I think these Skill levels were shown on older ACE Program lists. They are not shown on the current lists fidget linked to. Has ACE stopped offering them as part of GEP?
Rationale?
The single question above was so dull I forgot the other. Perhaps any masochists making it through the above could add a question to this thread, thus extending the pain for all concerned. Thanks.
Bless
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English File was my favourite text book to use both with privates and in schools although not too many schools could adapt the term to the odd number of lessons/chapters.
k440, something to do when you're pissed.
Used English File quite a while too, but yes, went back to Headway for most levels. Hope you and family are well. Fully OK this side, though Covid has been quite a ride on many levels - so to speak.
Am still curious about existence ACE Skills Levels though, and patiently waiting for an answer.
Sorry, violet, about paragraphing. in lieu of putting in more thought, I have decided to indent lines. About one sixth of the way there, don't you think?
Am still curious about existence ACE Skills Levels though, and patiently waiting for an answer.
Sorry, violet, about paragraphing. in lieu of putting in more thought, I have decided to indent lines. About one sixth of the way there, don't you think?
ACE does not use "Listening & Speaking' and 'Reading & Writing' skills as a separate modules. Are these what you were asking about? Those were dropped around 5 years ago.
They just use levels 1 to 12 (level 11 is split into 2), each level lasting for around 2.5 to 3 months. At least, that's how it was before the pandemic.
They just use levels 1 to 12 (level 11 is split into 2), each level lasting for around 2.5 to 3 months. At least, that's how it was before the pandemic.
Yes, that was what I wanted to know. Thanks!
But, I have two opposing thoughts. First that the 13 terms you describe, just over 3 years, is a remarkably short time to move from False beginner, Level 1, to Academic IELTS Band 5. And conversely, 2nd, that though Band 5 IS very hard to reach in 3 years, most students do ACE Level 12 and IELTS with the hope they can enter foreign universities, but Band 5 isn't close to cutting it.
So, good on 'em if ACE can really get non-users to Band 5 in three years, that sounds worth the high tuition, but why don't they make Level 12 harder? Why don't they require IELTS 6 for Level 12, that would be something actually useful to their students?
Not really a fair complaint though, how many other Cambodian schools regularly get students much above Band 5?
But, I have two opposing thoughts. First that the 13 terms you describe, just over 3 years, is a remarkably short time to move from False beginner, Level 1, to Academic IELTS Band 5. And conversely, 2nd, that though Band 5 IS very hard to reach in 3 years, most students do ACE Level 12 and IELTS with the hope they can enter foreign universities, but Band 5 isn't close to cutting it.
So, good on 'em if ACE can really get non-users to Band 5 in three years, that sounds worth the high tuition, but why don't they make Level 12 harder? Why don't they require IELTS 6 for Level 12, that would be something actually useful to their students?
Not really a fair complaint though, how many other Cambodian schools regularly get students much above Band 5?