Hostess life expectancy
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I'm bumping this old thread to point out that the last time I was in Shanghai Bar, I'm pretty sure I saw two girls who I recognized from 2004-05. The is confirmed by Shanghai's historical photo records. So these gals have been working at least six years as hostesses at the same bar. Impressive.
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As dv8inpp pointed out, these girls get (temporarily) 'saved' all the time. So, even if they started working at Shanghai in 04/05, there's a good chance that six months was taken off here, another three months there while boyfriends were sponsoring them.
If you go into Shanghai Bar and ask one of those girls how long she's been working there, I guarantee you will get an answer in the neighbourhood of three to six months. While it is technically true, that five months ago, she was not working there (because she had a sponsor), a month or two before that, she was working.
For a girl to actually work continuously for six years, she'd need to be kind of ugly, so that no westerner would consider saving her, but sweet enough such that she always gets tips and lady drinks. All bars have these hanger-ons who lurk beside the really hot girls to pick up the scraps, maybe giving you a massage or fetching beers so that your hot girl doesn't get distracted. They'd be prime candidates for the golden dildo.
If you go into Shanghai Bar and ask one of those girls how long she's been working there, I guarantee you will get an answer in the neighbourhood of three to six months. While it is technically true, that five months ago, she was not working there (because she had a sponsor), a month or two before that, she was working.
For a girl to actually work continuously for six years, she'd need to be kind of ugly, so that no westerner would consider saving her, but sweet enough such that she always gets tips and lady drinks. All bars have these hanger-ons who lurk beside the really hot girls to pick up the scraps, maybe giving you a massage or fetching beers so that your hot girl doesn't get distracted. They'd be prime candidates for the golden dildo.
There are still two girls working at Zanzibar who were on the staff in early 2005 when I first started drinking there. Not sure whether they have had many periods off.
Of the five in the group of staff that I usually drank with then none are currently working in bars: two have two children, another has one, the fourth is married and working in non-hospitality field, one is married and living abroad.
Of the five in the group of staff that I usually drank with then none are currently working in bars: two have two children, another has one, the fourth is married and working in non-hospitality field, one is married and living abroad.
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theres one ultimate skank thats been in bunny bars for at least 3 years, good becks though.
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how much will you give me if we get married and i take you back to sunny Blighty?dv8inpp wrote:I've been working in a hostess bar for about 8 years now. No one has saved me
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There are two women I know that were working the circuit back in the UNTAC days, but obviously they were never really hostesses per se. One now works in a hostess bar where the girls used to be very tall, the other is still a fairly good friend that frequents WA/Howies and is famous for a particular outfit she seems to always wear. Both have had extended periods off, one pretty much off the circuit now due to age and fatness, but still turns the occasional trick, the other with extended periods of sponsorship, but always back in the saddle, as it were.
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Those brothels are probably the khmer brothels with more or less trafficked girls where customers rountinely deny using condoms and rape the girls. You'd be stupid to assume those girls didn't have a very high HIV occurence.bar one wrote:Recent efforts to halt the spread of the epidemic, including a programme promoting 100% condom use, have enjoyed some success. Figures indicate that HIV prevalence amongst brothel-based sex workers dropped from 43% to 29% between 1998 and 2002.
On the other hand, girls working in Western style hostess bars are usually subject to regular testing and trained in using condoms, unlike the rest of the population, and they're rarely get raped forced to not use a condom by Westerners. It wouldn't surprize me if the hiv rates aren't that much higher in the better bars than the average population, or at least nowhere near 40%. In fact in Western industrialized countries where prostitution is legal and regulated like Germany and Netherlands, some groups of prostitutes actually have lower rates of hiv than average, even though they regularly have condomless sex. Simply because they're really good at picking out the ones that have anything, good at using condoms and at good at minimising transmissions risks if they don't use condoms. It's their job, after all.
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Yeah, they learn how to smell HIV.even though they regularly have condomless sex. Simply because they're really good at picking out the ones that have anything
Did you dream that nonsense up or read it in a novel?On the other hand, girls working in Western style hostess bars are usually subject to regular testing and trained in using condoms, unlike the rest of the population, and they're rarely get raped forced to not use a condom by Westerners.
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I've heard this numerous times, but is it actually true? Regular testing would be expensive for the bar owners, and even more expensive for the girls if they are forced to pay themselves. Also, a profitable western-owned bar might test its girls, but I can't see a Khmer owner bothering.Tankhed wrote:On the other hand, girls working in Western style hostess bars are usually subject to regular testing
Can any ex-hostess bar owners on the board give us any extra information on this?
That said, STD rates for the staff in western-oriented hostess bars are probably a lot lower. I would guess this is due to a number of things, such as less sexual activity (a hostess is a hostess first and a hooker second, and may not shag a customer every night) and the higher rate of condom use among westerners.
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No, but transmission rates increase about a hundred times if you have open sores. And HIV positive people with a high viral load usually look sick, and most of the hookers probably spend some time identifying what to look for. That's just two markers, there are tons more. The point is in countries like Cambodia where prositutes are often treated like shit by the locals and the men decide condom use HIV spreads much faster, wheras is countries or places where women decide prositutes tend to do really well even if they have bareback sex with some of their customers. Because it's their job and their health.hanky wrote:Yeah, they learn how to smell HIV.
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I thought that most working girls get their periods off every month. Shows what little I know...Spad wrote:There are still two girls working at Zanzibar who were on the staff in early 2005 when I first started drinking there. Not sure whether they have had many periods off.
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