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"Striponob" sounds like a place Harry Potter might visit. If it was a former capital it might be Srey Santhor, but I don't see how you get Striponob from that.
Found this while searching for Batjong, given as an alternative name for the Harry Potter town. It's called UNIVERSAL GEOGRAPHY, a description of all the Parts of the World on a New Plan", pub. 1834. It has some good stuff:
* The Mekong has 3 mouths, the Saigon River, the Bassac, and "the Inconvenient". "It is said that great lake or inland sea is connected with these mouths." Love the "it is said".
*"Leuvok (the capital) consists of a single street with one large temple." "A short way from the capital are to be seen the ruins of an ancient city, the architecture of which shows something of the European style..."
*Batjong is on the river "north of Cambodia," meaning Lovek, the capital. Srey Santhor is on the Mekong not far from Phnom Penh, but Lovek is on the Tonle Sap River, so the direction is right but the river seems wrong, as he seems to be referring to a place on the Tonle Sap river. But then he says that after Batjong comes "Sumbapoor", where there's a "high priest" who "assumes the title of raja and exacts a toll from passengers." This sounds like the abbot of the monastery Wat Sambok in Kratie, who was given the duty of collecting tolls on the Mekong in the very early 17th century.
*It mentions Ponthiamas, an "independent kingdom" founded in 1705 by a Chinese merchant. This must be HaTien, now on the Cambodia-Vietnam border, founded by refugees from the final collapse of the Ming, but a bit earlier than that. It was a famous trading port and nest of pirates in the late 18th century, outside anyone's control.
This is the link: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YX ... 22&f=false
* The Mekong has 3 mouths, the Saigon River, the Bassac, and "the Inconvenient". "It is said that great lake or inland sea is connected with these mouths." Love the "it is said".
*"Leuvok (the capital) consists of a single street with one large temple." "A short way from the capital are to be seen the ruins of an ancient city, the architecture of which shows something of the European style..."
*Batjong is on the river "north of Cambodia," meaning Lovek, the capital. Srey Santhor is on the Mekong not far from Phnom Penh, but Lovek is on the Tonle Sap River, so the direction is right but the river seems wrong, as he seems to be referring to a place on the Tonle Sap river. But then he says that after Batjong comes "Sumbapoor", where there's a "high priest" who "assumes the title of raja and exacts a toll from passengers." This sounds like the abbot of the monastery Wat Sambok in Kratie, who was given the duty of collecting tolls on the Mekong in the very early 17th century.
*It mentions Ponthiamas, an "independent kingdom" founded in 1705 by a Chinese merchant. This must be HaTien, now on the Cambodia-Vietnam border, founded by refugees from the final collapse of the Ming, but a bit earlier than that. It was a famous trading port and nest of pirates in the late 18th century, outside anyone's control.
This is the link: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YX ... 22&f=false
Langor and Carol are both mentioned in this book from 1701:Lucky Lucan wrote:I noticed there weren't too many familiar names on the older maps. There are some weird ones, like "Striponob" on the 1847 map. It looks like the British surveyors decided to call someplace in the vicinty of Langor "The Mullet". Langor seems fairly consistent on a few maps though, maybe it's an old name for Koh Kong or Trat or somewhere around there?LexusSchmexus wrote:I wonder what Langor referred to. Whether it was an actual location or not.
pages 70-71
https://books.google.com.kh/books?id=5m ... &q&f=false
Is that "Isle de Mofo" or "Isle de Mojo" in the middle there? Either way very interesting -jackrossi wrote:
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
It's from 1618 the original is on auction starting at about 250$
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That is a very low starting price. It is less than a century older than the earliest maps on the market and I would expect it to easily reach 3k probably 5, way more if of any historical importance.jackrossi wrote:It's from 1618 the original is on auction starting at about 250$
If I remember correctly I paid around 300€ for that 1802 map I posted on an earlier page of this thread. It was most probably taken from an atlas printed in the hundreds. That is line with some european, african and american maps that I sold in auctions. Some of the oldest including a rare but b&w17th century map of hollands french provinces went for less than an unexpected early 20th century english map. It is of course all about rarity.
It's quite small, 12.5*8.5cm since it's a copper engraved miniature map that is why it is cheaper.
But if you want it for your collection I can get for you.
But if you want it for your collection I can get for you.
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There's no way that map is anything like that old considering how white the paper is and how crisp the lines and colors are. It looks great, but it's repro.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
You think so? The seller seems reputable selling maps for many years. They even sell on eBay now with a ton of feedback selling only maps and old prints. if it's replica you should notify them.
I give you the link:
http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayIS ... spheader=1
I give you the link:
http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayIS ... spheader=1
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these are wonderful.
i want to print them all and wallpaper the den.
i want to print them all and wallpaper the den.
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I was just guessing, it would be impossible to tell from a photo, and maybe they've bumped up the colors for the ad.jackrossi wrote:You think so?
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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