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Post by kinard » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:19 pm

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...I asked about the Vietnamese having to come over and do it and she said they wanted to keep Cambodia and didn’t do it to “save it” for the Cambodians...
This has always intrigued me, the supposed contempt Khmers have for their Vietnamese neighbours, given the fact they were liberated by them.

Coincidentally an article Is Anti Vietnamese Sentiment On The Decline In Cambodia from SEA Globe.







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Post by Lucky Lucan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:25 pm

YaTingPom wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:19 am
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What a mess.

That Mercedes T2 van is a very strange sight. Just abandoned in the carnage.
I thought so too. My dad had a van like that around 1981, he never drove it - it was just for a business. Quite expensive at the time like 20,000 quid or something and was written-off within 18 months. :-?
How was it written off if he never drove it?
I used to drive one for work (later model, 2002?). Unbreakable.

The delivery guy kept crashing it and eventually wrecked it. :off:
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:36 pm

kinard wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:19 pm
YaTingPom wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:16 am
...I asked about the Vietnamese having to come over and do it and she said they wanted to keep Cambodia and didn’t do it to “save it” for the Cambodians...
This has always intrigued me, the supposed contempt Khmers have for their Vietnamese neighbours, given the fact they were liberated by them.

Coincidentally an article Is Anti Vietnamese Sentiment On The Decline In Cambodia from SEA Globe.







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The animosity goes back centuries. The Vietnamese occupation in the 1840s was remembered as a particularly low point in Khmer history. In the late 1940s and early 50s there were many massacres by both Khmers and Viets in the border areas.
The ARVN occupation of southern border areas in the early 70s was also a sore point. Even though nominally allied with Lon Nol, he had massacred Viet civilians so they took revenge on local Khmers.
It's not lost on many Cambodians that the PAVN / NLF use of Cambodian territory brought war to the country, and it is unlikely Pol Pot would ever have come to power without Vietnamese help.
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Post by YaTingPom » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:45 pm

Totally. It’s not just recent history.

Bit like Ireland and the English...
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Post by YaTingPom » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:47 pm

kinard wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:19 pm
YaTingPom wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:16 am
...I asked about the Vietnamese having to come over and do it and she said they wanted to keep Cambodia and didn’t do it to “save it” for the Cambodians...
This has always intrigued me, the supposed contempt Khmers have for their Vietnamese neighbours, given the fact they were liberated by them.

Coincidentally an article Is Anti Vietnamese Sentiment On The Decline In Cambodia from SEA Globe.







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Not supposed. Fact, even for young (under 30) Cambodians.
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Post by Kimbo » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:29 am

Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:34 am
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:48 pm
Most people also think the KR destroyed the books in the national library but in fact it was the Heng samrin government that pulped the books.
Nobody thinks that because most of the books weren't destroyed other than a few on the ground floor.
Shortly after the fall of the Khmer rouge the new authorities pulped the remaining books when there was a desperate need for paper.
Phnom Penh: A Cultural and Literary History
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:09 pm

Not saying you're wrong, but I can't find any reference to that, it does say on page 151 that the National Library and National Archives were barely touched during the Pol Pot regime and that on Milton Osbourne's visit in 1981 he found the archives mostly intact.
Henry Kamm in "Cambodia - Report from a Stricken Land" mentions visiting the library in 1979 and meeting Youk Kun who worked there rearranging the few books the Khmer Rouge had left, so there seem to be conflicting reports.
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Post by Kimbo » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:43 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:09 pm
Not saying you're wrong, but I can't find any reference to that, it does say on page 151 that the National Library and National Archives were barely touched during the Pol Pot regime and that on Milton Osbourne's visit in 1981 he found the archives mostly intact.
Henry Kamm in "Cambodia - Report from a Stricken Land" mentions visiting the library in 1979 and meeting Youk Kun who worked there rearranging the few books the Khmer Rouge had left, so there seem to be conflicting reports.
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The National Library for instance was protected throughout the period the Khmers Rouges
were in power The pulping of its collections did not occur until 1979 when the government
of Heng Samrin ordered it as stopgap measure at time of an acute shortage of paper
Anatomy of a nightmare
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:05 pm

Well that explains the dismal collection of books I saw last time I was there, maybe 15 years ago.
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Post by Kimbo » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:16 pm

Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑
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Well that explains the dismal collection of books I saw last time I was there, maybe 15 years ago.
I thought the same thing sir.
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:06 pm

From Nayan Chanda's Brother Enemy - The War after the War.
The Vietnamese certainly did not help to foster confidence. In the three months following the occupation of Phnom Penh they had systematically plundered the capital. Convoys of trucks carrying refrigerators, air conditioners, electrical gadgets, furniture, machinery and precious sculpture headed towards Ho Chi Minh City. All these had been left behind by a population brutally evicted from the city in 1975 and had gone untouched by the Khmer Rouge rulers, who loathed these artifacts of bourgeois decadence. That booty from Phnom Penh might have brought some money to Hanoi's coffers, but it left a deep scar in the Khmer psyche; it reinforced prejudices against the detested yuon. I t would also remain a large blot on the Vietnamese role as "savior" of Cambodia.
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