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Cambodian curry 1AD?
2,000-year-old curry: scientists discover evidence of ancient recipe in south-east Asia
Curry may have been introduced to south-east Asia 2,000 years ago, suggest scientists who have unearthed the earliest known evidence of the dish’s preparation in the region.
Analysing plant remains from 12 ancient stone grinding tools found in Óc Eo, southern Vietnam, researchers discovered traces of rice and turmeric, ginger, fingerroot, sand ginger, galangal, clove, nutmeg and cinnamon.
“We discovered a wide variety of spices that had travelled from different locations to Óc Eo,” said Dr Hsiao-chun Hung of the Australian National University, who led the excavation and research. “All of these spices reached Vietnam 2,000 years ago, contributing to the creation of delightful dishes that must have been enjoyed by the people of that time.”
The researchers were “rather surprised” to discover that nutmeg seeds they had excavated at the site were still aromatic two millennia later.
Starch grains from turmeric and ginger were the most abundant of the eight spices discovered at the site. “These starch grains display broken features, indicating that they were likely ground, similar to the starch granules found in modern curry powder,” Hung said.
Scientists excavated the stone implements, including mortars and pestles, between 2017 and 2019, finding them to be south Asian in origin. It led the researchers to conclude that curry recipes were introduced to south-east Asia by south Asian migrants or visitors during early trade contact via the Indian Ocean.
A key artefact, a large footed grinding slab found with ancient starch grains of ginger, cinnamon and nutmeg on its surface, is similar to those traditionally used for preparing curry paste today, the researchers say.
Hung said the site of Óc Eo was believed to have been a major port city in the ancient kingdom of Funan, dating from the first to seventh century AD.
“Before this study, we had only limited clues from ancient documents in India, China and Rome about the early spice trades,” she said. “This research is the first to confirm that these spices were indeed traded commodities that existed within the global maritime trading networks nearly 2000 years ago.”
Archaeological evidence suggests that curry originates from India more than 4,000 years ago, where spice traces, eggplant and mango have been found attached to human teeth and in cooking pots.
The research was published in the journal Science Advances.
The study’s first author is Weiwei Wang, a PhD candidate at ANU.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -east-asia
Curry may have been introduced to south-east Asia 2,000 years ago, suggest scientists who have unearthed the earliest known evidence of the dish’s preparation in the region.
Analysing plant remains from 12 ancient stone grinding tools found in Óc Eo, southern Vietnam, researchers discovered traces of rice and turmeric, ginger, fingerroot, sand ginger, galangal, clove, nutmeg and cinnamon.
“We discovered a wide variety of spices that had travelled from different locations to Óc Eo,” said Dr Hsiao-chun Hung of the Australian National University, who led the excavation and research. “All of these spices reached Vietnam 2,000 years ago, contributing to the creation of delightful dishes that must have been enjoyed by the people of that time.”
The researchers were “rather surprised” to discover that nutmeg seeds they had excavated at the site were still aromatic two millennia later.
Starch grains from turmeric and ginger were the most abundant of the eight spices discovered at the site. “These starch grains display broken features, indicating that they were likely ground, similar to the starch granules found in modern curry powder,” Hung said.
Scientists excavated the stone implements, including mortars and pestles, between 2017 and 2019, finding them to be south Asian in origin. It led the researchers to conclude that curry recipes were introduced to south-east Asia by south Asian migrants or visitors during early trade contact via the Indian Ocean.
A key artefact, a large footed grinding slab found with ancient starch grains of ginger, cinnamon and nutmeg on its surface, is similar to those traditionally used for preparing curry paste today, the researchers say.
Hung said the site of Óc Eo was believed to have been a major port city in the ancient kingdom of Funan, dating from the first to seventh century AD.
“Before this study, we had only limited clues from ancient documents in India, China and Rome about the early spice trades,” she said. “This research is the first to confirm that these spices were indeed traded commodities that existed within the global maritime trading networks nearly 2000 years ago.”
Archaeological evidence suggests that curry originates from India more than 4,000 years ago, where spice traces, eggplant and mango have been found attached to human teeth and in cooking pots.
The research was published in the journal Science Advances.
The study’s first author is Weiwei Wang, a PhD candidate at ANU.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -east-asia
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I remember reading years ago that tomatoes and chillies were totally alien to curry as they were from the Americas and it was the Portuguese who introduce both to India.
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I'm not entirely sure why they are surprised - the influence from the India on the region is very well established; that they'd also bring their recipes/ingredients isn't exactly rocket science is it?
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Very true the famously spicy Vindaloo comes from the Portuguese for wine,presumably red wine vinegar and garlic.
Vinho e Alho
It is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
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It is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
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Are you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
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I was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
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It's GOANESE NOT GOANS and I am TRILINGUAL NOT BILINGUAL!horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pmI was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
Now do you want to continue trying to correct my grammar or is it maybe time to take a long,hard look at yourself in the mirror?
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Lobo isn't a surname it's a nickname in Portuguese,do you now see and understand just how much you are embarrassing yourself probably not?horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pmI was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
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I just hope and pray that your French teacher is no longer alive,so that you don't have to inform him that you have failed him miserably in just about everything?horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pmI was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
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Lobo is a surname found in the Galician, Spanish and Portuguese languages meaning "wolf", and in other languages with other meanings. Notable people with the surname include:Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:39 pmLobo isn't a surname it's a nickname in Portuguese,do you now see and understand just how much you are embarrassing yourself probably not?horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pmI was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
Almiro Lobo (born 1982), known as Miro, Mozambican football defender
Alonso Lobo (1555–1617), Spanish composer of the late Renaissance
Amberley Lobo (born 1990), Australian television presenter
Anthony Theodore Lobo (1937–2013), Pakistani Roman Catholic bishop
António Lobo de Almada Negreiros (1868–1939), Portuguese journalist, colonialist writer, essayist and poet
Baltasar Lobo (1910–1993), Spanish artist, anarchist and sculptor
Cavin Lobo (born 1988), Indian footballer
Claude Lobo (1943–2011), French car designer
Cristiana Lôbo (1957–2021), Brazilian journalist
Cristiana Lobo (swimmer) (born 1972), Brazilian swimmer
Duarte Lobo (1565–1646), Portuguese composer of the late Renaissance
Edu Lobo (born 1943), Brazilian singer, guitarist, and composer
Emerico Lobo de Mesquita (1746–1805), Brazilian composer, music teacher, conductor and organist
Emiro Lobo (1948–2007), Venezuelan painter, graphic artist and designer
Erik Lobo (born 1970), known as Mr Lobo, American artist and comedic actor
Eugenio Gerardo Lobo (1679–1750), Spanish soldier and poet
Francisco Miranda da Costa Lobo (1864–1945), Portuguese astronomer, pioneer of spectrography
Francisco Rodrigues Lobo (1580–1622), Portuguese poet and bucolic writer
Ignatius P. Lobo (1919–2010), Indian prelate of the Catholic Church
Ildo Lobo (1953–2004), Cape Verdean singer
Jerónimo Lobo (1593–1678), Portuguese Jesuit missionary
Julio Lobo (1898–1983), Cuban sugar trader and financier
Leonard D. Lobo, former headmaster of St Columba's School, Delhi, India
Luis Lobo (born 1970), Argentine professional tennis player
Mario Humberto Lobo (born 1964), Argentine former footballer
Mary Kay Lobo (born 1975), American psychiatric neuroscientist
Michael Lobo (born 1953), Indian Catholic scientist and genealogist
Michael Lobo (politician) (born 1976), Indian politician
Nahuel Lobo (born 1991), Argentine rugby union footballer
Pedro Lobo (born 1954), Brazilian photographer
Porfirio Lobo Sosa (born 1947), President of Honduras
Rebecca Lobo (born 1973), American television basketball analyst and former professional basketball player
Ricardo Lobo (born 1984), Brazilian football striker
Rogerio Hyndman Lobo (1923–2015), Macanese businessman
Rogerio Lobo (boxer) (1971–2006), Brazilian professional boxer
Sascha Lobo (born 1975), German blogger, writer, journalist and copywriter
Stephen Lobo (born 1973), Canadian actor
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Plus the other however many millions that have it as a nickname!horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:38 pmLobo is a surname found in the Galician, Spanish and Portuguese languages meaning "wolf", and in other languages with other meanings. Notable people with the surname include:Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:39 pmLobo isn't a surname it's a nickname in Portuguese,do you now see and understand just how much you are embarrassing yourself probably not?horace wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pmI was referring to the grammar and the lack of "where" after Portuguese colony. Every monkey and his dog knows that many Goans have Portuguese surnames.Cambodiacious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:23 pmAre you not a native reader?horace wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:05 pmIt is from Goa which was a Portuguese colony the locals still have names like Lobo and Da Silva,incidentally UK cabinet minister Suella Braverman is of Goanese descent.
Are you a non-native speaker or just plain lazy to write correctly? I have been the latter quite often especially when drunk!
I speak three languages how many can you stumble your way through my guess is one?
Lobo means Wolf in Portuguese and Da Silva is a very common surname on the Iberian Peninsula,seriously if all you are capable of is poor English it's probably advisable to keep quiet?
Aunque la mona se vista de seda,mona se queda!
Congratulations on being trilingual by no means an easy feat unless you grew up in a bilingual family.
As my French teacher told me oh so many years ago " Mr Clarke you will never master a foreign language so you had better master your own!"
Almiro Lobo (born 1982), known as Miro, Mozambican football defender
Alonso Lobo (1555–1617), Spanish composer of the late Renaissance
Amberley Lobo (born 1990), Australian television presenter
Anthony Theodore Lobo (1937–2013), Pakistani Roman Catholic bishop
António Lobo de Almada Negreiros (1868–1939), Portuguese journalist, colonialist writer, essayist and poet
Baltasar Lobo (1910–1993), Spanish artist, anarchist and sculptor
Cavin Lobo (born 1988), Indian footballer
Claude Lobo (1943–2011), French car designer
Cristiana Lôbo (1957–2021), Brazilian journalist
Cristiana Lobo (swimmer) (born 1972), Brazilian swimmer
Duarte Lobo (1565–1646), Portuguese composer of the late Renaissance
Edu Lobo (born 1943), Brazilian singer, guitarist, and composer
Emerico Lobo de Mesquita (1746–1805), Brazilian composer, music teacher, conductor and organist
Emiro Lobo (1948–2007), Venezuelan painter, graphic artist and designer
Erik Lobo (born 1970), known as Mr Lobo, American artist and comedic actor
Eugenio Gerardo Lobo (1679–1750), Spanish soldier and poet
Francisco Miranda da Costa Lobo (1864–1945), Portuguese astronomer, pioneer of spectrography
Francisco Rodrigues Lobo (1580–1622), Portuguese poet and bucolic writer
Ignatius P. Lobo (1919–2010), Indian prelate of the Catholic Church
Ildo Lobo (1953–2004), Cape Verdean singer
Jerónimo Lobo (1593–1678), Portuguese Jesuit missionary
Julio Lobo (1898–1983), Cuban sugar trader and financier
Leonard D. Lobo, former headmaster of St Columba's School, Delhi, India
Luis Lobo (born 1970), Argentine professional tennis player
Mario Humberto Lobo (born 1964), Argentine former footballer
Mary Kay Lobo (born 1975), American psychiatric neuroscientist
Michael Lobo (born 1953), Indian Catholic scientist and genealogist
Michael Lobo (politician) (born 1976), Indian politician
Nahuel Lobo (born 1991), Argentine rugby union footballer
Pedro Lobo (born 1954), Brazilian photographer
Porfirio Lobo Sosa (born 1947), President of Honduras
Rebecca Lobo (born 1973), American television basketball analyst and former professional basketball player
Ricardo Lobo (born 1984), Brazilian football striker
Rogerio Hyndman Lobo (1923–2015), Macanese businessman
Rogerio Lobo (boxer) (1971–2006), Brazilian professional boxer
Sascha Lobo (born 1975), German blogger, writer, journalist and copywriter
Stephen Lobo (born 1973), Canadian actor
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