Aung San not living up to her name after 1 year in power
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Ah, lighten up. I was just having fun pointing out your back-pedalling.violet wrote:Is that best you can do? Forget it. Classic response
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Starving Pelican is oversimplifying it or is taking the Myanmar government line at face value. There have been Rohingya Muslims in Rakhine state (Arakan) for hundreds of years, long before Bangladesh even existed as a country. That's not to say that there weren't thousands who arrived after being displaced by the Banglideshi conflicts, but it's not as simply as dismissing them all as illegal immigrants.
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The new regime has made things unfathomably difficult for business and the professional services.
Take the mayor of Yangon for example, poor prick did 15 years in prison. I feel for him, I do. However, the new guys in their lust to right wrongs, put him in charge of an Asian metropolis - and they wonder why it's taking 8 months to get a building permit.
Take the mayor of Yangon for example, poor prick did 15 years in prison. I feel for him, I do. However, the new guys in their lust to right wrongs, put him in charge of an Asian metropolis - and they wonder why it's taking 8 months to get a building permit.
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The simple fact is many of the Rohingya are Bangladeshis who fled in 1970 or later due to economic reasons. And the Rohingya insurgents declared war on the Burmese government in 1948, not the other way around.
The Western response to the situation is typically pig headed in the manner it has designated the Rohingya as eternal victims, despite their participation in a decades long insurgency, and demonized the Burmese for not suddenly adpoting the worldview of a liberal arts student in San Francisco and singing kumbayah with #letthemin placards.
Most people with a little experience of SE Asia would understand how insular provincial villages are and the life and death nature of land ownership when your family are a subsistence farmers. Cosmopolitan hipster scum working for global organizations can wax lyrical about how the Burmese need to accommodate the Rohingya, but they're not the ones sacrificing land to ethnic/religious strangers who are, often, there illegally. Another case of whitey getting a stiff cock about how moral he is and forcing multiculturalism on people who don't want it and whose way of life would be totally upended by suddenly granting citizenship to hundreds of thousands of literal foreigners.
Would you have much sympathy if thousands of French people without visas started occupying Battambang province because "there have been some French here for centuries" and then the locals started attacking them after the French bottomfeeders declared a jihad to liberate the province?
The Western response to the situation is typically pig headed in the manner it has designated the Rohingya as eternal victims, despite their participation in a decades long insurgency, and demonized the Burmese for not suddenly adpoting the worldview of a liberal arts student in San Francisco and singing kumbayah with #letthemin placards.
Most people with a little experience of SE Asia would understand how insular provincial villages are and the life and death nature of land ownership when your family are a subsistence farmers. Cosmopolitan hipster scum working for global organizations can wax lyrical about how the Burmese need to accommodate the Rohingya, but they're not the ones sacrificing land to ethnic/religious strangers who are, often, there illegally. Another case of whitey getting a stiff cock about how moral he is and forcing multiculturalism on people who don't want it and whose way of life would be totally upended by suddenly granting citizenship to hundreds of thousands of literal foreigners.
Would you have much sympathy if thousands of French people without visas started occupying Battambang province because "there have been some French here for centuries" and then the locals started attacking them after the French bottomfeeders declared a jihad to liberate the province?
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It is more complicated than that if you go back further in history.
Sympathy is one thing, having a mindset of a group of people being an infestation is another.
Having said that, I think the entire human race is an infestation.
And I am so bored of lazy responses slinging the word liberal out everywhere. There are positives and negatives to all political stances. There is a very long sliding scale from one view to its opposition. Humans are phckd. Continually finding and labelling groups to hate on and blame on has no positive impact on a situation. Zilch. Humans should stop trying to think and solve the world. Perhaps plugging us all into a central computer is the best thing for us.
Sympathy is one thing, having a mindset of a group of people being an infestation is another.
Having said that, I think the entire human race is an infestation.
And I am so bored of lazy responses slinging the word liberal out everywhere. There are positives and negatives to all political stances. There is a very long sliding scale from one view to its opposition. Humans are phckd. Continually finding and labelling groups to hate on and blame on has no positive impact on a situation. Zilch. Humans should stop trying to think and solve the world. Perhaps plugging us all into a central computer is the best thing for us.
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Liberalism deserves that kind of response because it is the political lideology crammed down everyone's throat in the 21st century. Everyone is expected to bend over and accommodate illegal immigration, and any notion that a community might not want their centuries old way of life interrupted by an alien culture is called bigotry and dismissed immediately as hate.violet wrote:It is more complicated than that if you go back further in history.
Sympathy is one thing, having a mindset of a group of people being an infestation is another.
Having said that, I think the entire human race is an infestation.
And I am so bored of lazy responses slinging the word liberal out everywhere. There are positives and negatives to all political stances. There is a very long sliding scale from one view to its opposition. Humans are phckd. Continually finding and labelling groups to hate on and blame on has no positive impact on a situation. Zilch. Humans should stop trying to think and solve the world. Perhaps plugging us all into a central computer is the best thing for us.
What positive outcome for the majority of Burmese is there from accepting Rohingya, who are often illegal, who mostly can't speak the local dialect, who are of a different ethnicity, who are of a different religion, and who inhabit parallel communities?
You're taking a western morality where multiculturalism is inherently good without explanation and applying it to a country that has had continual ethnic conflict for half a century.
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'You're. You mean me? No, I am not. I just am not going into full detail. I detest trying to write my view (1. I am lazy as I accused you of and 2. There is little point. I am incapable of changing anyone's view. Others can express my view better than I can). My views are not simple. There are folds of nuances to this type of thing.
Maybe one day we will have a conversation about it. Probably not.
Maybe one day we will have a conversation about it. Probably not.
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Negative, Cowboy. It's based on the experience of people who have been affected by illegal Bangladeshi immigration. Typical idiocy - be sympathetic to those you're told to be sympathetic to, and call anyone who isn't sympathetic a bigot.Marmite wrote:Starving Pelican is oversimplifying it or is taking the Myanmar government line at face value. There have been Rohingya Muslims in Rakhine state (Arakan) for hundreds of years, long before Bangladesh even existed as a country. That's not to say that there weren't thousands who arrived after being displaced by the Banglideshi conflicts, but it's not as simply as dismissing them all as illegal immigrants.
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That is bullshit SP. I make up my own mind. I am not 100% for or against. I am capable of seeing complexity and also of not thinking I or any other person has an answer. I see both sides of the argument. I just refuse to blanketly label a group of people in the way you did.
Calling you out in that does not equal me being sympathetic to one group and not another. A thing many can't comprehend and so break viewpoints down to black and white so they can remain right.
Calling you out in that does not equal me being sympathetic to one group and not another. A thing many can't comprehend and so break viewpoints down to black and white so they can remain right.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled.
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I wasn't referring to you. Did you see whose post I quoted? And what label did I give to the Bangladeshi illegals? Calling them illegals? that's an adjective based on what I understand to be fact. It's not like I called them cunts.violet wrote:That is bullshit SP. I make up my own mind. I am not 100% for or against. I am capable of seeing complexity and also of not thinking I or any other person has an answer. I see both sides of the argument. I just refuse to blanketly label a group of people in the way you did.
Calling you out in that does not equal me being sympathetic to one group and not another. A thing many can't comprehend and so break viewpoints down to black and white so they can remain right.
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No worries, no need to apologise. And btw, infestation is also an adjective
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