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It's quite simple - eat something - just make sure that what you eat is low carb.
It's a low carb diet, not a low volume diet.
It's a low carb diet, not a low volume diet.
Anyone attempting to low-carb needs to learn to gorge on fatty foods and lose their fear of dietary fats.
Still, it takes a few days for satiation/"hunger" sensations to normalize. At first I ate as much meat as I could finish daily and had this weird twilight sensation of "I'm absolutely stuffed but still feel hungry". My adaptation here took well over a week.
Any low-carb way of eating is either high-protein, high-fat, or 50/50ish in kcals. High-protein (in kcal) is toxic, 50/50ish still isn't too healthy and will feel miserable & "off", only high-fat (65-85% of calories from dietary fats) will feel good after a while as the body's tissues/muscles/organs/etc all "fat-adapt" to not use blood glucose (or stored glycogen) but fatty acids and/or ketones as the primary and preferred fuel source.
On a standard regimen glucose is always the preferred fuel source to burn off, and well before glycogen stores in the muscles and liver run really low, people already get the "hungry" signal. On a high-fat regimen, "hunger" will be a rather quite painful bodily sensation signaling that you're either running dangerously low on body-fat (would take multiple weeks of fasting for most) and about to consume your own lean tissue, or that you're eating too much protein and not enough dietary fat (as per above).
That said, anyone overweight but not too impatient doesn't have to go hardcore low-carb at first! They can begin to just cut out alcohol and sugar and resort to "natural"/fibrous/satiating carbs for their cravings. Fruits, rice, potatoes, oats, you name it. Or wheat, grains, maize or dairy if they tolerate them. Only sugar/HFCS and alcohol are the culprits as hormonally fattening and slowly sickening poisons (the former hiding in any and all sauces and packaged foods/drinks!), whereas "natural carbs" are still fairly acceptable nutrition (though not optimal IMHO).
Still, it takes a few days for satiation/"hunger" sensations to normalize. At first I ate as much meat as I could finish daily and had this weird twilight sensation of "I'm absolutely stuffed but still feel hungry". My adaptation here took well over a week.
Any low-carb way of eating is either high-protein, high-fat, or 50/50ish in kcals. High-protein (in kcal) is toxic, 50/50ish still isn't too healthy and will feel miserable & "off", only high-fat (65-85% of calories from dietary fats) will feel good after a while as the body's tissues/muscles/organs/etc all "fat-adapt" to not use blood glucose (or stored glycogen) but fatty acids and/or ketones as the primary and preferred fuel source.
On a standard regimen glucose is always the preferred fuel source to burn off, and well before glycogen stores in the muscles and liver run really low, people already get the "hungry" signal. On a high-fat regimen, "hunger" will be a rather quite painful bodily sensation signaling that you're either running dangerously low on body-fat (would take multiple weeks of fasting for most) and about to consume your own lean tissue, or that you're eating too much protein and not enough dietary fat (as per above).
That said, anyone overweight but not too impatient doesn't have to go hardcore low-carb at first! They can begin to just cut out alcohol and sugar and resort to "natural"/fibrous/satiating carbs for their cravings. Fruits, rice, potatoes, oats, you name it. Or wheat, grains, maize or dairy if they tolerate them. Only sugar/HFCS and alcohol are the culprits as hormonally fattening and slowly sickening poisons (the former hiding in any and all sauces and packaged foods/drinks!), whereas "natural carbs" are still fairly acceptable nutrition (though not optimal IMHO).
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I'd say it takes a week or two before the body actually switches over. I do think a low-carb diet is good for those who are really overweight, but for those who are already thin and in shape it's a bit overkill. Also, I don't think it's a very realistic diet here as it requires a big lifestyle change that not everyone would enjoy. Eating out would be close to impossible, and one's food bill would skyrocket. Also, eating bacon and avocados gets old after a while.
Simple moderation combined with low GI carbs is enough for most. Then again, of you're obese, you do need a complete lifestyle change regardless...
Simple moderation combined with low GI carbs is enough for most. Then again, of you're obese, you do need a complete lifestyle change regardless...
I'd like to see the data on that one.LexusSchmexus wrote: eating bacon and avocados gets old after a while.
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Haha, fair enough. I was on paleo for a bit under a year. I won't say that I felt like puking or anything, but your choice of "fillers" are drastically reduced. Consuming a large amount of good fats is harder than it sounds! It's worth noting that I actually like cooking, and I've eaten the same breakfast for the better part of my life and don't get bored of it (2-3 eggs+oats and milk). However, given the results of the "how often do you eat out" thread, I suspect a low card/keto/paleo-type diet wouldn't be a good match for 95% of Cambodia expats.
For me the "problem" was weight loss... I went from a fit 92kg (16-17min 5km, 150lbs+ front squats, 200Lbs+ deadlifts and so on) to an overall weaker 80kg (on a tall frame). Training frequency and a knee injury had a big impact, but the diet also made it hard to maintain weight... I mostly lost fat, and actually felt great while I was on it, but for an ectomorph who wasn't really doing it to lose fat in the first place, it wasn't a very good match. Plus, I found it really hard to keep doing here. It's easy to find tasty low-fat cheese, cheap almonds, cheap bacon and so forth in the west. Here they're either unavailable or cost a fortune.
For me the "problem" was weight loss... I went from a fit 92kg (16-17min 5km, 150lbs+ front squats, 200Lbs+ deadlifts and so on) to an overall weaker 80kg (on a tall frame). Training frequency and a knee injury had a big impact, but the diet also made it hard to maintain weight... I mostly lost fat, and actually felt great while I was on it, but for an ectomorph who wasn't really doing it to lose fat in the first place, it wasn't a very good match. Plus, I found it really hard to keep doing here. It's easy to find tasty low-fat cheese, cheap almonds, cheap bacon and so forth in the west. Here they're either unavailable or cost a fortune.
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Lexus,
What about flatulence sir? Did you not suffer terribly from flatulence on such a meat based diet?
Mind you saying that i'm really into beans at the moment. My girlfriend does a nice snack of a brown mung bean spicy salad. Just boiled beans, sliced shallots, salt, chopped fresh chillies, lime juice and a pinch of sugar. Everything a growing boy needs.
What about flatulence sir? Did you not suffer terribly from flatulence on such a meat based diet?
Mind you saying that i'm really into beans at the moment. My girlfriend does a nice snack of a brown mung bean spicy salad. Just boiled beans, sliced shallots, salt, chopped fresh chillies, lime juice and a pinch of sugar. Everything a growing boy needs.
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So could you, you old codger!ricecakes wrote:He could be your father.Starving Pelican wrote:.someone in their mid-thirties.
Haha. I have eaten nothing but fatty steaks cooked rare, occasionally salmon or eggs, since 3rd May. Drank nothing but water, coffee and once green tea in that time. I fart about once every 2 weeks now, before multiple times a day.. no longer bloated or gassy, ever there's just no left-overs arriving for bacterial colonies in the large intestines / colon to feast on or ferment! Meat leaves the stomach as a liquid to be almost fully absorbed by the small intestine. Not a lot of bacterial action going on there.. at least as far as "digestion" is concerned.spitthedog wrote:What about flatulence sir? Did you not suffer terribly from flatulence on such a meat based diet?
What about flatulence sir?spitthedog wrote:Mind you saying that i'm really into beans at the moment.
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As Metaleap says, flatulence becomes insanely rare. If you're taking in protein powder and eat a lot of protein on a "normal" diet, you tend to fart a lot. Once you cut carbs, farts actually become quite rare. That's one thing my friends and I noticed (a bunch of us did it around the same time). Also, my shits (I think that's a technical term) became very consistent. I'm quite a consistent person to start with, but the consistency, timing and "ease of expulsion" increased considerably. It was quite remarkable. It did make me believe that it's what our bodies were originally designed for (though as omnivores, we're obviously very adaptable). However, I just think it's not very convenient as it would require a complete lifestyle change, which needs to be almost permanent in order to work if you're obese. Otherwise you'll just gain the weight back, unless you ease yourself carefully back into complex carbs.
Agreed. This avoids surgical operations, alcohol abstention and any extreme forms of eating proteins. I'm going to get this in a glossy print and post it in the kitchen.ali baba wrote:I think I'm going to follow this diet;
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