New coronavirus spreading rapidly.

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Covid-19 survivors 'could have long-lasting immunity' as scientists believe crucial disease-fighting T cells 'may last for many years' after infection

“Could have”, “scientists believe” and “may have“ doesn’t sound very convincing.
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Yeah, this bad long term effect seems to be prevalent among people who did not have to go to hospital, but stayed at home for quarantine and recovery. Looks like these long term symptoms are quite along Chronic Fatigue effects.

[kinard]

Covid-19 survivors 'could have long-lasting immunity' as scientists believe crucial disease-fighting T cells 'may last for many years' after infection

“Could have”, “scientists believe” and “may have“ doesn’t sound very convincing.
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Yeah, this bad long term effect seems to be prevalent among people who did not have to go to hospital, but stayed at home for quarantine and recovery. Looks like these long term symptoms are quite along Chronic Fatigue effects.

It does seem to affect survivors differently, but I would think the presence of systemic micro clots would cause the greatest concern.

As far as immunity goes, 2 years max and then vaccines(flu shots) required to keep ahead of mutations, just as is done for seasonal influenza. Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

[citizenK]

One of the comments below in that jpost article.

Poor article from doctor perspective. When a recovered flu patient ends up right back in a room full of flu patients, he does not get sick (“infected”). He may pick up the virus and test positive (“re-inoculation”) for a time, but his immune status will prevent re-infection. Point is that there is a BIG difference between re-inoculation of an immune patient and “re-infection”. This doctor was re-inoculated. And, his immune system prevented infection. The story is total B.S. fear mongering. Shame on the author and the JPost.

[Guest]

ut while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

more likely is that a number of countries have a cure in treatment and it is only countries who think their shit dont stink and refuse to take notice of the treatment being use in the no deaths now countries, where people are still dying en-mass, you know like in that disgusting sepoland.

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It does seem to affect survivors differently, but I would think the presence of systemic micro clots would cause the greatest concern.

Yeah, just like with Chronic Fatigue, the symptoms are diverse, though in general 1 sticks out: Persistent fatigue.

As far as immunity goes, 2 years max and then vaccines(flu shots) required to keep ahead of mutations, just as is done for seasonal influenza.

Yeah, that is something I would expect to, though I do more tend to a 1-year immunity.

Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

That are quite some definitive statements, just in 1 sentence, do you have references ?

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ut while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

more likely is that a number of countries have a cure in treatment and it is only countries who think their shit dont stink and refuse to take notice of the treatment being use in the no deaths now countries, where people are still dying en-mass, you know like in that disgusting sepoland.

Tin-foil hat or just to much beer ?

[kinard]

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It does seem to affect survivors differently, but I would think the presence of systemic micro clots would cause the greatest concern.

Yeah, just like with Chronic Fatigue, the symptoms are diverse, though in general 1 sticks out: Persistent fatigue.

As far as immunity goes, 2 years max and then vaccines(flu shots) required to keep ahead of mutations, just as is done for seasonal influenza.

Yeah, that is something I would expect to, though I do more tend to a 1-year immunity.

Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

That are quite some definitive statements, just in 1 sentence, do you have references ?

Here's a recent link, but have read other reports of similar observations over the last week or so.

Latest focus is now on the T cell

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Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

That are quite some definitive statements, just in 1 sentence, do you have references ?

Here's a recent link, but have read other reports of similar observations over the last week or so.

Latest focus is now on the T cell

I think, you should have another read of the first article. It does not state Covid-19 has become more infectious, nor that the death-rate is declining. It states that one mutant seems to have become most dominant. That can have many, many causes as the article states, including that it is a little more infectious (though it could also be, the old strain can be battled easier by the human body, for example). Also, the death-rate going down, is not something I read in there.

[horace]

https://english.elpais.com/
Does a lot more than cause fatigue n breathlessness.

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https://english.elpais.com/
Does a lot more than cause fatigue n breathlessness.

Yep, though it could very well be, all (or at least many of) these things are just secondary symptoms, because the body energy management mechanism no longer works properly (as is with Chronic Fatigue). All those processes in the body, where proper operation is needed to keep things going strong, do deteriorate pretty fast, when the energy supply gets stuck.

[kinard]

Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

That are quite some definitive statements, just in 1 sentence, do you have references ?

Here's a recent link, but have read other reports of similar observations over the last week or so.

Latest focus is now on the T cell

I think, you should have another read of the first article. It does not state Covid-19 has become more infectious, nor that the death-rate is declining. It states that one mutant seems to have become most dominant. That can have many, many causes as the article states, including that it is a little more infectious (though it could also be, the old strain can be battled easier by the human body, for example). Also, the death-rate going down, is not something I read in there.

It states the virus is becoming less deadly, so less people are dying given the number of infections.

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Whether this applies to how covid behaves is as yet unclear, but while covid is becoming more infectious, there are indications the death rate is falling.

That are quite some definitive statements, just in 1 sentence, do you have references ?

Here's a recent link, but have read other reports of similar observations over the last week or so.

Latest focus is now on the T cell

I think, you should have another read of the first article. It does not state Covid-19 has become more infectious, nor that the death-rate is declining. It states that one mutant seems to have become most dominant. That can have many, many causes as the article states, including that it is a little more infectious (though it could also be, the old strain can be battled easier by the human body, for example). Also, the death-rate going down, is not something I read in there.

It states the virus is becoming less deadly, so less people are dying given the number of infections.

Sorry, I don't read that in either article. The fact that there is indication that some people might have built up resistance against Covid-19 a long time ago, probably because of another similar virus, does not make the Covid-19 virus itself less deadly.
The word "death" does not even appear in the text and the word less only 2 times in another context.

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[Guest]

got it figured now, even though many countries in the region have a cure in treatment, with no deaths for months, they arent allowed to say they have a cure because the next scam the vile health care providers are going to inflict on you is the vaccine scam, something like, you arent allowed to go anywhere unless have paid the extortion fee and you are vaccinated. hang the bastards now before its too late

[Starving Pelican]

got it figured now, even though many countries in the region have a cure in treatment, with no deaths for months, they arent allowed to say they have a cure because the next scam the vile health care providers are going to inflict on you is the vaccine scam, something like, you arent allowed to go anywhere unless have paid the extortion fee and you are vaccinated. hang the bastards now before its too late

Err...I would argue that any government or pharma company that comes up with a vaccine or "cure" would waste no time in announcing it to the world - instant skyrocketing of share price for a vaccine company, prestige up to the eyeballs for the governments.

My guess is that, if any government or company has such, they're probably trying to ensure that whatever they announce actually works before they announce it.