New coronavirus spreading rapidly.
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There are a lot of 'experts' around coming up with 'models', with gloom & doom merchants having a field day. One of the more absurd ones, in this article, claims the UK will have more deaths than Italy, Spain, France and Germany combined, peaking at 3,000 deaths a day by April 17th. It's a model from IHME in Seattle:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... y-predicts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... y-predicts
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
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Cheers.maxx wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:07 amno i dont have a link but seen it on the tv being reported by a expert and in addition to the 3 hours in the air there was also, virulent for 24 hours on cardboard
another expert postulated that this is more than a pnuemonia as it somehow prevents the exchange of co2 with o2 in the blood stream when it travels through the lungs which causes that short of breath sympton but gets much worse in that the lungs and heart begin to disintegrate and bits lodge in the arteries.
instead of your blood leaving the co2 behind in the lungs to be exhaled it continues around your body with the co2 and no fresh o2
its still early days for the researchers whereas for the deathvirus its not early days as its well on the way to doing the entire planet
I did a search and found a link.
Scroll to the end of the article for updated info on aerosolised covid. It talks about half-lives being a more accurate assessment of transmissibility.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-re ... s-surfaces
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Check these little fkers out.
Mycoplasma
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma
Yes, I've been reading Facebook. Can you tell?
Mycoplasma
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma
Yes, I've been reading Facebook. Can you tell?
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Depending on how virulent an infectious dose you have been exposed to I am sure this micro-organisim will easily travel to the mouth, nose or eyes. Shedding by cough or sneeze does indeed appear to emit this virus at it's most virulent stage of transmission.kinard wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:42 amThe virus seems intent to get into the lungs the most direct route, down your gob. Perhaps the optic or aural route may be more high-risk portals for medical staff at the coal face.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:25 amAll this talk about masks and not much about goggles.
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This is an interesting read. It talks about the real issue with Covid-19 is not pneumonia caused by ARDS, but asphyxiation caused by the red blood cells losing their iron ion which carries oxygen from the lungs to the other organs. 6 minute read, as he says.
MAGA
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
MAGA
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
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If this was written by a Dr or a scientist or anybody giving their full name and credentials it would be better. Not saying that it ain't correct as I do believe they - the powers that be - ain't telling the truth.
k440, something to do when you're pissed.
It could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
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TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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Oh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
Up the workers!
All is not lost KFF, there is anecdotal evidence to suggest the virus relieves anxiety.
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys" - KiR
Jesus KFF - this is just mind boggling stupid stuff - and I've only read the reddit post you linked. In the hospital I work at, we have had a lupus patients who contracted COVIF-19. This and other anectodal evidence (ie examples like this that way too small to provide statistical rigour) in my opinion blows the hydroxychloroquine hypothesis.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:47 amOh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
The description of how the virus works is just plainly wrong and does NOT reflect what occurs in the majority of patients.
Trump is spruiking the use of hydroxychloroquine because he has a stake in the main pharmaceutical company that manufactures it!
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If you're saying I shouldn't trust some right-wing nut, you're waaaaaay too late.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:56 amJesus KFF - this is just mind boggling stupid stuff - and I've only read the reddit post you linked. In the hospital I work at, we have had a lupus patients who contracted COVIF-19. This and other anectodal evidence (ie examples like this that way too small to provide statistical rigour) in my opinion blows the hydroxychloroquine hypothesis.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:47 amOh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
The description of how the virus works is just plainly wrong and does NOT reflect what occurs in the majority of patients.
Trump is spruiking the use of hydroxychloroquine because he has a stake in the main pharmaceutical company that manufactures it!
The Lancet published the first pathology on February 18. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... X/fulltext.
I haven't read any others since then. Thanks for blowing the heme theory out of the water.
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I think you shouldn't post such fucking nutty unverified non-peer reviewed shit from reddit and stick to the Lancet!kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:08 amIf you're saying I shouldn't trust some right-wing nut, you're waaaaaay too late.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:56 amJesus KFF - this is just mind boggling stupid stuff - and I've only read the reddit post you linked. In the hospital I work at, we have had a lupus patients who contracted COVIF-19. This and other anectodal evidence (ie examples like this that way too small to provide statistical rigour) in my opinion blows the hydroxychloroquine hypothesis.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:47 amOh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
The description of how the virus works is just plainly wrong and does NOT reflect what occurs in the majority of patients.
Trump is spruiking the use of hydroxychloroquine because he has a stake in the main pharmaceutical company that manufactures it!
The Lancet published the first pathology on February 18. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... X/fulltext.
I haven't read any others since then. Thanks for blowing the heme theory out of the water.
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How about Nature.? The wacky thing about it is the way the guy seems to be convinced he knows what the mechanisms are of hydroxychloroquine. Which as I understand it, is still a mystery.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:07 amI think you shouldn't post such fucking nutty unverified non-peer reviewed shit from reddit and stick to the Lancet!kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:08 amIf you're saying I shouldn't trust some right-wing nut, you're waaaaaay too late.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:56 amJesus KFF - this is just mind boggling stupid stuff - and I've only read the reddit post you linked. In the hospital I work at, we have had a lupus patients who contracted COVIF-19. This and other anectodal evidence (ie examples like this that way too small to provide statistical rigour) in my opinion blows the hydroxychloroquine hypothesis.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:47 amOh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
The description of how the virus works is just plainly wrong and does NOT reflect what occurs in the majority of patients.
Trump is spruiking the use of hydroxychloroquine because he has a stake in the main pharmaceutical company that manufactures it!
The Lancet published the first pathology on February 18. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... X/fulltext.
I haven't read any others since then. Thanks for blowing the heme theory out of the water.
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Here's the Nature article.
This should clear things up
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0
Could it work?
In February, a research group led by virologist Manli Wang of the Chinese Academy of Sciences put the idea to the test and found that chloroquine successfully stopped the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in cultured human cells. Preliminary reports from China, South Korea and France suggest that the treatment is at least somewhat effective in treating human patients, and some hospitals in the U.S. have begun administering the drug, according to The New York Times. In addition, the FDA is organizing a large clinical trial to formally assess the drug's effects, the Times reported.
However, due to a short supply of chloroquine in China, and the fact that an overdose can lead to acute poisoning or death in humans, Wang's team also investigated the closely related drug hydroxychloroquine. Though it shares a similar structure, hydroxychloroquine shows lower toxicity in animals than its chemical cousin and remains widely available as a treatment for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, the authors noted.
Wang's team tested hydroxychloroquine in primate cells and found that, like chloroquine, the drug prevented SARS-CoV-2 replication, according to a report published March 18 in the journal Cell Discovery. As of Feb. 23, seven clinical trials had been registered in the Chinese Clinical Trial Registry to test the drug's effectiveness against COVID-19 infection, the authors noted.
In the U.S., the University of Minnesota is studying whether taking hydroxychloroquine can protect people living with infected COVID-19 patients from catching the virus themselves, according to the Times.
Up the workers!
Sure - Nature is an excellent journal! However, one has to be careful though of rapid publications in these journals, as right now COVID-19 is flavour of the year. If they had submitted this next year for example, it probably wouldn't have been published in such a prestigious journal as the peer review processs is rushed, and likely not conducted by the true experts who are too busy themselves in trying to solve the puzzle of how to fix this thing. There are nor many many retractions of articles in these journals which you never really see.......kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:31 amHow about Nature.? The wacky thing about it is the way the guy seems to be convinced he knows what the mechanisms are of hydroxychloroquine. Which as I understand it, is still a mystery.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:07 amI think you shouldn't post such fucking nutty unverified non-peer reviewed shit from reddit and stick to the Lancet!kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:08 amIf you're saying I shouldn't trust some right-wing nut, you're waaaaaay too late.chubacca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:56 amJesus KFF - this is just mind boggling stupid stuff - and I've only read the reddit post you linked. In the hospital I work at, we have had a lupus patients who contracted COVIF-19. This and other anectodal evidence (ie examples like this that way too small to provide statistical rigour) in my opinion blows the hydroxychloroquine hypothesis.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:47 amOh stfu you pussy. I said poetic justice.and stated some facts. And if you'd bothered to watch the video it's by some right-wing Trump supporter and is currently doing the rounds on social media - as advertised by Dr Chris Martensen PhD of pathology who does a US daily update on the Corona Virus.slavedog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pmIt could well be the read of bloody decade but I refuse to follow any link post by someone so cretinous as to wish death upon another man because of their political beliefs. Time to wallop the ban-hammer down firmly on this hateful pleb KFF. For the good of the forum.
Although the link I posted above was written by someone who admits he isn't a physician, but definitely is a Trump supporter, whilst Martensen seems not to be, Martensen still promotes what he is saying in the document.
If anyone is interested, this is a link to his daily show.
The description of how the virus works is just plainly wrong and does NOT reflect what occurs in the majority of patients.
Trump is spruiking the use of hydroxychloroquine because he has a stake in the main pharmaceutical company that manufactures it!
The Lancet published the first pathology on February 18. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... X/fulltext.
I haven't read any others since then. Thanks for blowing the heme theory out of the water.
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Here's the Nature article.
This should clear things up
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0
Could it work?
In February, a research group led by virologist Manli Wang of the Chinese Academy of Sciences put the idea to the test and found that chloroquine successfully stopped the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in cultured human cells. Preliminary reports from China, South Korea and France suggest that the treatment is at least somewhat effective in treating human patients, and some hospitals in the U.S. have begun administering the drug, according to The New York Times. In addition, the FDA is organizing a large clinical trial to formally assess the drug's effects, the Times reported.
However, due to a short supply of chloroquine in China, and the fact that an overdose can lead to acute poisoning or death in humans, Wang's team also investigated the closely related drug hydroxychloroquine. Though it shares a similar structure, hydroxychloroquine shows lower toxicity in animals than its chemical cousin and remains widely available as a treatment for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, the authors noted.
Wang's team tested hydroxychloroquine in primate cells and found that, like chloroquine, the drug prevented SARS-CoV-2 replication, according to a report published March 18 in the journal Cell Discovery. As of Feb. 23, seven clinical trials had been registered in the Chinese Clinical Trial Registry to test the drug's effectiveness against COVID-19 infection, the authors noted.
In the U.S., the University of Minnesota is studying whether taking hydroxychloroquine can protect people living with infected COVID-19 patients from catching the virus themselves, according to the Times.
Read the article - case in point - the cells used are derived from an African Green Monkey kidney cell. So really, one cannot draw a reasonable conclusion that this would work on the cell types that actually matter. As a reviewer, I would be asking them why they hadn 't performed these experiments in cells that are human derived, and are from the lung (of which there are a few!).
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