Have you actually read the link you posted? In no way does it state that early humans had a vegan diet. And what the article doesn't even mention is that a substantial part of the gathering part is looking for eggs, grubs and depending on climate earth worms etc.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:03 pmVisser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:38 amSure mate, the hunter gatherers of old used to hunt broccoli.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:06 amClimate Deniers, science deniers, and now history deniers - is there anything logical you right-wing nutters won't try to shoot down with a gun?Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:01 pmkungfufighter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:58 pmPeople having only had the chance relatively recently to eat animal meat often. Humans have spent most of their time eating a vegan diet.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:14 pmThe human brain needs animal fat (docosahexanoic acid) for higher order thinking. Veganism is literally dumb. Personally, I wouldn't trust a doctor that promoted a 100% vegan diet.
Have you considered a Macrobiotic Diet? That would be more practical in PP...
Denialism, dude. It's the fat, bald, wife-beater wearing branch of philosophy. Look it up.
Here - educate yourself. It's about time..
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/food ... n-of-diet/
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There are zero (0) vegan societies in human history and by that I mean seven generations of people eating the same diet 100% of the time and the ones who survive to age 21 must survive to age 75.
Why? Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
This kungfoo fool is just taking the piss isn't he - albeit without humour?
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What about the Jains? Or don't they count?Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:41 pmThere are zero (0) vegan societies in human history and by that I mean seven generations of people eating the same diet 100% of the time and the ones who survive to age 21 must survive to age 75.
Why? Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
Your premise of needing animal fats for higher order thinking us just do much guff. Post a study, why don't you?
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What about the Jains? Or don't they count?Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:41 pmThere are zero (0) vegan societies in human history and by that I mean seven generations of people eating the same diet 100% of the time and the ones who survive to age 21 must survive to age 75.
Why? Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
Your premise of needing animal fats for higher order thinking is just do much guff.
The majority of human society for hundreds of thousands of years has only eaten meat on rare occasions. Weddings or other special events. Most are not strictly vegan though, mostly enforced vegetarian. Hunting with a bow and arrow is very hard, which is why people didn't eat meat that often, even when game was available.
Ever since people have been eating more meat the rates of diseases such as diabetes have increased exponentially.
Your idea is exactly the same guff as those people that say a vegetarian diet makes your brain weak.
There are plenty of examples of top thinkers both vegetarian and vegan.
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"Eating Meat = Diabetes"
Fuck me, you are retarded.
And you have the audacity to claim right-wingers are science deniers
Fuck me, you are retarded.
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Jains are/were vegetarians and most probably ate dairy due to the treatment of cows in India.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:21 pm
What about the Jains? Or don't they count?
Your premise of needing animal fats for higher order thinking us just do much guff. Post a study, why don't you?
It's widely known (or at least I thought it was ) that meat eating was part of human evolution.
Human ancestors who roamed the dry and open savannas of Africa about 2 million years ago routinely began to include meat in their diets to compensate for a serious decline in the quality of plant foods, according to a physical anthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley.
It was this new meat diet, full of densely-packed nutrients, that provided the catalyst for human evolution, particularly the growth of the brain, said Katharine Milton, an authority on primate diet.
Without meat, said Milton, it's unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became.
https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/rel ... 1999a.htmlMilton argues that meat supplied early humans not only with all the essential amino acids, but also with many vitamins, minerals and other nutrients they required, allowing them to exploit marginal, low quality plant foods, like roots - foods that have few nutrients but lots of calories.
These calories, or energy, fueled the expansion of the human brain and, in addition, permitted human ancestors to increase in body size while remaining active and social.
Survival of the fattest: fat babies were the key to evolution of the large human brain.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14527626
There's this article also, Meat is Brain Food
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2 ... brain-foodClinical research finds that people on vegan diets commonly suffer from a variety of nutritional deficiencies. One study, for instance, showed that more than half of vegans tested were deficient in vitamin B12, putting them at risk of mental health problems such as fatigue, poor concentration, decreased brain volume with aging and irreversible nerve damage.
Human ancestors who roamed the dry and open savannas of Africa about 2 million years ago routinely began to include meat in their diets to compensate for a serious decline in the quality of plant foods, according to a physical anthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley.
It was this new meat diet, full of densely-packed nutrients, that provided the catalyst for human evolution, particularly the growth of the brain, said Katharine Milton, an authority on primate diet.
Without meat, said Milton, it's unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became.
To be fair Milton is just guessing here, there is no evidence whatsoever that proto-humans were ever herbivores, nor that there was a decline in nutrient value of plants at that time which made them switch to an omnivorous diet.Milton argues that meat supplied early humans not only with all the essential amino acids, but also with many vitamins, minerals and other nutrients they required, allowing them to exploit marginal, low quality plant foods, like roots - foods that have few nutrients but lots of calories.
These calories, or energy, fueled the expansion of the human brain and, in addition, permitted human ancestors to increase in body size while remaining active and social.
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The increase in diabetes (T2) has nothing to do with eating more meat and everything to do with an unhealthy diet. In fact, vitamin A, which helps prevent diabetes, is only found in meat products.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:42 pmEver since people have been eating more meat the rates of diseases such as diabetes have increased exponentially.
if a vegetarian eats chips and pizza, washed down with litres of coke every day, they are more likely to get diabetes.
The correlation is due to vegetarians/vegans generally leading a healthier lifestyle
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In my original answer I said as long as vegans take supplements. Meaning B12 and possibly DHA. They have been adding DHA to milk for a while. If you look at the studies done on DHA and mother's milk, for example, you will see a wide variance in DHA levels with highest levels on one study coming from mother's who ate fresh water oily fish 4 or more times a week. But after three years of milk production, whatever the diet, DHA levels dropped substantially. As far as adult requirements, I've not read a decent study that proves it one way or another.
Jains do drink cows milk, which has DHA, so long as the animal has not been mistreated. The prevalence depending on each grouping.
A modern western diet is bad for producing DHA anyway. Vegetable oils have the effect of blocking DHA production and the majority of people on traditional Western diets, meat and two veg, have much lower levels of DHA than those on other diets.
Chips, pizzas, sugary drinks etc but also regular meat eating, plus genetic makeup are the commonest causes of the rising global problem of diabetes.
Jains do drink cows milk, which has DHA, so long as the animal has not been mistreated. The prevalence depending on each grouping.
A modern western diet is bad for producing DHA anyway. Vegetable oils have the effect of blocking DHA production and the majority of people on traditional Western diets, meat and two veg, have much lower levels of DHA than those on other diets.
Chips, pizzas, sugary drinks etc but also regular meat eating, plus genetic makeup are the commonest causes of the rising global problem of diabetes.
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Meat contains fat. Fat turns into sugar.
Fat is the Cause of Type 2 Diabetes
Written By Michael Greger M.D. FACLM on November 17th, 2016
Studies dating back nearly a century noted a striking finding: If you take young, healthy people and split them up into two groups—half on a fat-rich diet and half on a carbohydrate-rich diet—we find that within just two days, glucose intolerance skyrockets in the fat group. The group that had been shoveling fat in ended up with twice the blood sugar. As the amount of fat in the diet goes up, so does one’s blood sugar. Why would eating fat lead to higher blood sugar levels? It would take scientists nearly seven decades to unravel this mystery, but it would end up holding the key to our current understanding of the cause of type 2 diabetes.
https://nutritionfacts.org/2016/11/17/f ... -diabetes/
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At the end of the day you're an adult and have the liberty and agency to choose what you want to eat.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:38 pmIn my original answer I said as long as vegans take supplements.
But, doesn't having to take supplements imply you're aware that your diet isn't providing your body the necessary requirements to thrive? Doesn't something commercially produced in a factory somewhat defeat the original intention of healthy eating and lifestyle.
Although I've never been tempted to change to a vegan diet I've read a lot of blogs and stories of people who reverted back to meat eating and their stories are remarkably similar.
They all shared how much healthier they felt, especially in relation to their hair re-growth, mental fog lifting and they lost weight. Check out reddit ex vegans for yourself. I dare you
https://www.reddit.com/r/exvegans/
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Unfortunately, Reddit says I would have to download the app. May do at some later date. Your post of them complaining reminds me of vegetarians who said they threw up or felt ill when they tried to eat meat again. If I ate a strict vegan diet it would be based on old recipes like curries or vegetable stews with barley, like my mum used to make. No need for the meat, but each to his own. I try to minimise animal products in my diet. I was vegetarian for a few years, so it's not that hard. I maintained a healthy weight and active lifestyle.
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I'm not vegetarian, but i find myself eating less meat as i get older. I find it abit heavy i guess. I could murder a Dahl bhat right now.
I also think eating meat is not that healthy. The hormones and antibiotics can't be good for you.
Still like to eat sausages and bacon though.
Quite into a vegan pattie Subway at the mo.
No Subway in the Pehn though i guess?
I also think eating meat is not that healthy. The hormones and antibiotics can't be good for you.
Still like to eat sausages and bacon though.
Quite into a vegan pattie Subway at the mo.
No Subway in the Pehn though i guess?
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