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Giblet is 100% correct.
Her argument is water tight.
I wonder what those kids will be eating tonight.
I give money to alcoholic bums back home knowing damn well they are drinking themselves to death.
I give money to brain damaged kids here after watching lines of bus passengers ignore them.
I see the same kids picking up cans and cardboard to feed themselves.
I see kids driving in and out of the orphanage on motos their working parents bought for them.
I see a messed up world, with no easy answers.
But if you are going to follow advice that might have a positive long term effect, don't look past Giblet and Andy's posts.
(I think I am turning into Ken Svay, I blame the dentists medication)
Her argument is water tight.
I wonder what those kids will be eating tonight.
I give money to alcoholic bums back home knowing damn well they are drinking themselves to death.
I give money to brain damaged kids here after watching lines of bus passengers ignore them.
I see the same kids picking up cans and cardboard to feed themselves.
I see kids driving in and out of the orphanage on motos their working parents bought for them.
I see a messed up world, with no easy answers.
But if you are going to follow advice that might have a positive long term effect, don't look past Giblet and Andy's posts.
(I think I am turning into Ken Svay, I blame the dentists medication)
Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.
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You need help. Fox News is looking for people...PhotoKhmer wrote:WTF ! the street kids begging in the riverside are all muslims sleeping in boats in the southern tip of the nearby island, seen a couple times as i drove there with my moto to make photos.
they're all well fed and their parents are muslim fishermen,don't believe a single word they say and especially about them being hungry or horphans.
only a few ones are genuine, the ones sleeping on the floor and eating leftovers in restaurants, that's maybe 5% of the total.
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Fox News at least knows how to sell its own shit ...
can't see what's your point, just because i pointed out these kids are muslims ? sorry but the whole southern area of the island in front of the riverside is populated by muslims living in shit homes, boats, and slums.
these kids are taken to the riverside in the morning and taken back late evening on a truck, seen with my eyes.
same shit business done by the gypsies in europe.
on top of this, yes tourist giving money to beggars are the only ones responsible for this shit.
but it's worse than that, in Siem Reap i've seen some tourists giving 5$ or even 10$ bills to beggars, obviously unaware about how much money is 10$ in cambodia.
it must be a goldmine for the families of those kids, 2-300$/month or even more in high season.
can't see what's your point, just because i pointed out these kids are muslims ? sorry but the whole southern area of the island in front of the riverside is populated by muslims living in shit homes, boats, and slums.
these kids are taken to the riverside in the morning and taken back late evening on a truck, seen with my eyes.
same shit business done by the gypsies in europe.
on top of this, yes tourist giving money to beggars are the only ones responsible for this shit.
but it's worse than that, in Siem Reap i've seen some tourists giving 5$ or even 10$ bills to beggars, obviously unaware about how much money is 10$ in cambodia.
it must be a goldmine for the families of those kids, 2-300$/month or even more in high season.
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the road to hell is paved with good intentions sadly. :-/
in reality i see it all as a lose lose situation. until the government takes a proactive step, or the community as a whole,there's really no solution.
in reality i see it all as a lose lose situation. until the government takes a proactive step, or the community as a whole,there's really no solution.
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I can see that.
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I live on the outskirts of town where there are little or no barangs around. It's not a particularly deprived area, many people are doing ok. However, there are some dirt poor families around, and I've known many of them for years. Some of them break their asses going out in little boats made out of planks to harvest plants or fish, but they are far from the worst off.
Others are what we know as Hay-Jis (recyclers), or just beggars, that's to say they just wander around finding materials to recycle or just beg. I know some of these kids for years. A few months ago I stepped out of a local Star-Mart and one of these kids came up to me begging on a Sokimex forecourt with the usual "Som Loy- som loy" line. He was totally embarrassed when he realized who I was. Why? Because I know him, I know his two younger brothers too, and they are just neighborhood kids, even though they are way worse off than most.
They are tough little fuckers, and everyone in the neighborhood says they are bad news, they are scumbags who beg around Chhba Ampul market etc. I'm not that snobby, even though I don't hand out money.
Their names say a lot, for example the oldest kid is called "Tola" and the youngest is called "Makara". Tola means October in Khmer, and Makara means January. Not much thought went into these names.
These kids wander around with the ass hanging out of their pants, basically in rags. They are sent out to get money, and I have never met their parents, but I fear the worst, they are probably fucked-up alcoholics or something. I'll never forget bumping into Tola when he had a blown-up used condom stuck down the front of his shirt and he was wondering why everyone was avoiding him. Him and his younger brother are missing front teeth, and not because they fell out with the tooth fairy. They've had violent lives.
One time not so long ago I was out with my son, who was about 4 years old at the time. For fun, he gave a bear hug to Makara, at which point Tola who is about 11 years old (but tiny) ran at him and gave him a flying kick in the head, busting my kid's eyebrow. I was a bit upset, especially when I heard the shocking thud of the impact.
Anyway, I was a bit pissed off at the time, but my son is still friends with these kids. Recently I asked Makara why he had this huge double scar on his neck, about 10 cm long and maybe 3 cm apart. He said his Dad had hit him. I was shocked to hear that anyone's father would do such a thing, but this is the way life goes on in Lu Tuk Soi. My son understands that not everyone is as lucky as him, and his friends come from all walks of life, mainly the scruffy ones.
Others are what we know as Hay-Jis (recyclers), or just beggars, that's to say they just wander around finding materials to recycle or just beg. I know some of these kids for years. A few months ago I stepped out of a local Star-Mart and one of these kids came up to me begging on a Sokimex forecourt with the usual "Som Loy- som loy" line. He was totally embarrassed when he realized who I was. Why? Because I know him, I know his two younger brothers too, and they are just neighborhood kids, even though they are way worse off than most.
They are tough little fuckers, and everyone in the neighborhood says they are bad news, they are scumbags who beg around Chhba Ampul market etc. I'm not that snobby, even though I don't hand out money.
Their names say a lot, for example the oldest kid is called "Tola" and the youngest is called "Makara". Tola means October in Khmer, and Makara means January. Not much thought went into these names.
These kids wander around with the ass hanging out of their pants, basically in rags. They are sent out to get money, and I have never met their parents, but I fear the worst, they are probably fucked-up alcoholics or something. I'll never forget bumping into Tola when he had a blown-up used condom stuck down the front of his shirt and he was wondering why everyone was avoiding him. Him and his younger brother are missing front teeth, and not because they fell out with the tooth fairy. They've had violent lives.
One time not so long ago I was out with my son, who was about 4 years old at the time. For fun, he gave a bear hug to Makara, at which point Tola who is about 11 years old (but tiny) ran at him and gave him a flying kick in the head, busting my kid's eyebrow. I was a bit upset, especially when I heard the shocking thud of the impact.
Anyway, I was a bit pissed off at the time, but my son is still friends with these kids. Recently I asked Makara why he had this huge double scar on his neck, about 10 cm long and maybe 3 cm apart. He said his Dad had hit him. I was shocked to hear that anyone's father would do such a thing, but this is the way life goes on in Lu Tuk Soi. My son understands that not everyone is as lucky as him, and his friends come from all walks of life, mainly the scruffy ones.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
I was just sitting there, in that park between the palace and the river (park or lawn or whatever it is), drinking water, waiting for somebody. I stick out here - I'm fat, at the time I had a red beard, I look pretty conspicuously foreign. I'd say the same has been true of other countries I've been in as well. It's funny because I'm not an easy target for much of anything.digiboy wrote:Mate, I'd hate to sat this, but how do you get yourself into these situations.....?... I was sitting on the grass near the palace waiting for somebody once and this like 7 or 8 year old kid comes up and tries to crawl into my lap and is kissing my hand and calling me daddy and stuff, and I was so seriously creeped out I almost hit the little bastard for slobbering all over my hand. That's about the last sort of behavior I'm going to reward with money. Even if I was his Dad. ESPECIALLY if I was his Dad. But everybody nearby immediately had raised eyebrows. I was pissed.)
If it was me I'd drop kick the little fucker....
anyway.....
I just pushed him off me and got up and walked away briskly. A few minutes later, when I was across the street, some old lady came up to him and he handed her a wad of Riel from his pocket ... They must watch at a distance and collect intermittently. But seeing that pissed me off even more, he takes all the fucked up risks with pissing people off or actually getting molested or something. Just a rotten business all around.
How much art can you take?
Crikey,I must be the only benevolent person on the whole board.
I have often given money to down and outs in australia,for modst of my life probably.I have often given money to street kids as well.
I brought a dozen or so mini AFL footies back once and kicked them to kids all around the country.I have given clothes to kids on occateul beach.
I dont subscribe to this give money to the NGOs and they will look after them,arent the NGOs all serving bastards with huge villas and lexies?
Khmers give small change to beggers all the time,it seems to be the custom-has anyone else noticed this?
I have often given money to down and outs in australia,for modst of my life probably.I have often given money to street kids as well.
I brought a dozen or so mini AFL footies back once and kicked them to kids all around the country.I have given clothes to kids on occateul beach.
I dont subscribe to this give money to the NGOs and they will look after them,arent the NGOs all serving bastards with huge villas and lexies?
Khmers give small change to beggers all the time,it seems to be the custom-has anyone else noticed this?
Nice one Ken.
I have tended to use some begging/hawking kid encounters as a means to interact...and one such occasion remains with me. Being hounded by at least 20 kids selling books, hats, etc.. at the temples near angkor wat, I explained to them it was impossible for me to buy off all of them, but if one of them knew the answer to a geographical question, I would buy what that kid had to sell. They all understood this and agreed.
My question was.. What is the name of NZ's capital city? Well, some amazing answers, with Sydney being the closest, until a tiny voice from the back squeaked "Welling Ton".
She stepped forward, must have been about 5 or 6 years old, beaming and all the other kids beaming too, proud one of their fold had answered the question. I bought the little wooden flute off her and then bought everyone a cane juice. They enjoyed the interaction as well.
An example of Khmers giving to street kids...
Taking the girls of the hostess bar/guesthouse I was staying to bowling, our tuk-tuk convoy made its way to Parkway...whilst stopped at a red light at least a dozen streetkids surrounded us and without hesitation, every one of those girls reached into their bags and gave small riels to these kids, followed with a motherly-sounding comment. Off we went and all was quiet for a minute or two ..then back to normal chatter. Rather moving I thought .
I have tended to use some begging/hawking kid encounters as a means to interact...and one such occasion remains with me. Being hounded by at least 20 kids selling books, hats, etc.. at the temples near angkor wat, I explained to them it was impossible for me to buy off all of them, but if one of them knew the answer to a geographical question, I would buy what that kid had to sell. They all understood this and agreed.
My question was.. What is the name of NZ's capital city? Well, some amazing answers, with Sydney being the closest, until a tiny voice from the back squeaked "Welling Ton".
She stepped forward, must have been about 5 or 6 years old, beaming and all the other kids beaming too, proud one of their fold had answered the question. I bought the little wooden flute off her and then bought everyone a cane juice. They enjoyed the interaction as well.
An example of Khmers giving to street kids...
Taking the girls of the hostess bar/guesthouse I was staying to bowling, our tuk-tuk convoy made its way to Parkway...whilst stopped at a red light at least a dozen streetkids surrounded us and without hesitation, every one of those girls reached into their bags and gave small riels to these kids, followed with a motherly-sounding comment. Off we went and all was quiet for a minute or two ..then back to normal chatter. Rather moving I thought .
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Nice one,kinard.
But I thought the capital of NZ was 2/6 pence.
But I thought the capital of NZ was 2/6 pence.
ken svay wrote:Nice one,kinard.
But I thought the capital of NZ was 2/6 pence.
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much as i hate religion as an organization (believe what you will, it's the dogma i don't like) i'd be more inclined to support the missionary run orphanages, etc.ken svay wrote:Crikey,I must be the only benevolent person on the whole board.
I have often given money to down and outs in australia,for modst of my life probably.I have often given money to street kids as well.
I brought a dozen or so mini AFL footies back once and kicked them to kids all around the country.I have given clothes to kids on occateul beach.
I dont subscribe to this give money to the NGOs and they will look after them,arent the NGOs all serving bastards with huge villas and lexies?
Khmers give small change to beggers all the time,it seems to be the custom-has anyone else noticed this?
and i know many a khmer who is aware that it's making the problem worse and also refuse. more your every day folk than your standard riverfront khmer crowd. most of the khmer i've seen giving money have been business people trying to get rid of them before they harass the customers away.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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digiboy wrote:isn't NZ just another state of Australia?
I don't know how things are around riverside these days but have seen in the past an occasional barang buy a few kids a meal as I did in Hue once. They didn't sit with us at the table though, but were fed in the restaurant kitchen, and we were thanked by the kids and some of the staff afterwards.
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