UK visitor visa refused for the 2nd time
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UK visitor visa refused for the 2nd time
It will be very much appreciated if you'd take time reading my situation and give me proper advice on what I have to do for when I re-apply for a UK general visit visa. Here's a few insights on my story.
I am a Filipino Citizen, holding a Philippine passport of course and currently working as a kindergarten teacher in Phnom Penh Cambodia. I have first filed my application for a UK general visit visa last June 2014 through VFS global and it was processed in Bangkok. The said trip is intended to go sight-seeing since it's been my dream to visit England ever since. I have a British national friend whom I have met in the US during our on the job training back in 2014 and he is willing to sponsor me and let me stay at his place. He will not support me financially though.
Now for the first application I filed, They have refused my visa because of a couple of reasons. First is because I was not able to give proof that I have genuine relationship with my friend. I have known him for two years now, We met in the Philippines in December 2013 during his break to meet me and other Filipino friends he have met in the US. The last time I saw him was in September 2014 during his trip here in Cambodia. I have accommodated him in both trips so in return he's going to give me accommodation for when I visit England. The second reason is that I have stated that my mom is going to pay for my whole trip as a graduation gift (I am a fresh graduate) Now the thing is, I didn't know and my mom didn't tell me that there is only 6,840 Dirhams's (1088 GBP)in her bank account which clearly isn't enough to pay for the trip. The ECO wasn't satisfied on the balance of probabilities that I have close genuine ties with my sponsor and that I have enough funds to pay for the cost of the trip.
I admit that getting denied was my fault as I did not research thoroughly on what I need as supporting documents and overlooked the money available to me.
8 months later, after saving up money from juggling 2 jobs I applied for the second time. This time, I made sure I have provided everything that I can possibly provide as proof for the ECO.
I made sure to include pictures of my friend and I from US, Philippines and Cambodia times. Viber Call logs, and Emails just to prove that our communication is still existent. Although I did not state that my mom is going to pay for my trip anymore. I said that I will be shouldering the whole trip and just gonna use the graduation money gift from my mom to a trip to japan with my sister. (which I really do plan on doing) I have provided evidence of my employment such as employment contract, certificate, a letter stating that I am allowed to have a month long break, I even include some of my payslips and time sheets ( not all though because I lost them) I also have provided a bank certificate and bank book from my personal savings account, I even purchased health and travel insurance that is valid for a month, included US tax return documents as back up to some of the money I have in my bank account. I included a sponsorship letter from my friend and pay slips for 7 months
Today, I got the result of the 2nd application and got another Refusal of entry clearance.
The ECO stated that I have not provided substantiating evidence of regular income or employment. (I did not provide any proof of employment with my second job as it is just personal tutoring.) The other reason they gave is that my friend was not able to provide evidence of his financial circumstances over a substantive period of time. The last reason is that I have not provided any evidence of where did my recent 1,330USD deposit was from saying that it is way above my claimed monthly income and that it indicates artificial inflation in my bank account. in my defense, it was from my mom who is working in UAE. She gives me roughly about 1,300 USD cash or item worth the same as that annually as support since my parents got annulled. I just do not know how to prove it since it was just given to me cash because bank transfers costs a lot.
Can anyone give me advice on what documents I can provide as proof to the things they are doubting. I am planning on applying really soon as I really want to use the time given to me by my company to go to the UK.
-should I ask my mom to write a letter stating that she gave me money, etc.?
-should I make my tutoring employer write a letter too stating my wage?
-would it help if I promise that I will return to cambodia and I have no intentions of jeopardizing my future travels.
Please please please all sort of help will be very much appreciated!
xx
KAyra
I am a Filipino Citizen, holding a Philippine passport of course and currently working as a kindergarten teacher in Phnom Penh Cambodia. I have first filed my application for a UK general visit visa last June 2014 through VFS global and it was processed in Bangkok. The said trip is intended to go sight-seeing since it's been my dream to visit England ever since. I have a British national friend whom I have met in the US during our on the job training back in 2014 and he is willing to sponsor me and let me stay at his place. He will not support me financially though.
Now for the first application I filed, They have refused my visa because of a couple of reasons. First is because I was not able to give proof that I have genuine relationship with my friend. I have known him for two years now, We met in the Philippines in December 2013 during his break to meet me and other Filipino friends he have met in the US. The last time I saw him was in September 2014 during his trip here in Cambodia. I have accommodated him in both trips so in return he's going to give me accommodation for when I visit England. The second reason is that I have stated that my mom is going to pay for my whole trip as a graduation gift (I am a fresh graduate) Now the thing is, I didn't know and my mom didn't tell me that there is only 6,840 Dirhams's (1088 GBP)in her bank account which clearly isn't enough to pay for the trip. The ECO wasn't satisfied on the balance of probabilities that I have close genuine ties with my sponsor and that I have enough funds to pay for the cost of the trip.
I admit that getting denied was my fault as I did not research thoroughly on what I need as supporting documents and overlooked the money available to me.
8 months later, after saving up money from juggling 2 jobs I applied for the second time. This time, I made sure I have provided everything that I can possibly provide as proof for the ECO.
I made sure to include pictures of my friend and I from US, Philippines and Cambodia times. Viber Call logs, and Emails just to prove that our communication is still existent. Although I did not state that my mom is going to pay for my trip anymore. I said that I will be shouldering the whole trip and just gonna use the graduation money gift from my mom to a trip to japan with my sister. (which I really do plan on doing) I have provided evidence of my employment such as employment contract, certificate, a letter stating that I am allowed to have a month long break, I even include some of my payslips and time sheets ( not all though because I lost them) I also have provided a bank certificate and bank book from my personal savings account, I even purchased health and travel insurance that is valid for a month, included US tax return documents as back up to some of the money I have in my bank account. I included a sponsorship letter from my friend and pay slips for 7 months
Today, I got the result of the 2nd application and got another Refusal of entry clearance.
The ECO stated that I have not provided substantiating evidence of regular income or employment. (I did not provide any proof of employment with my second job as it is just personal tutoring.) The other reason they gave is that my friend was not able to provide evidence of his financial circumstances over a substantive period of time. The last reason is that I have not provided any evidence of where did my recent 1,330USD deposit was from saying that it is way above my claimed monthly income and that it indicates artificial inflation in my bank account. in my defense, it was from my mom who is working in UAE. She gives me roughly about 1,300 USD cash or item worth the same as that annually as support since my parents got annulled. I just do not know how to prove it since it was just given to me cash because bank transfers costs a lot.
Can anyone give me advice on what documents I can provide as proof to the things they are doubting. I am planning on applying really soon as I really want to use the time given to me by my company to go to the UK.
-should I ask my mom to write a letter stating that she gave me money, etc.?
-should I make my tutoring employer write a letter too stating my wage?
-would it help if I promise that I will return to cambodia and I have no intentions of jeopardizing my future travels.
Please please please all sort of help will be very much appreciated!
xx
KAyra
The onus is on your friend in the UK to prove that you will not be a burden on the UK taxpayers. So far it seems you have provided information; for the UK authorities that is not important. You will need him to provide a letter outlining his financial status, his job, his income, his bank account and an assurance from him that he will be responsible for you.
Your comment that he will not support you financially is telling. That is the crux of the issue.
No offence, but your documents are of secondary importance. It is what he is prepared to do that is important in this instance.
Your comment that he will not support you financially is telling. That is the crux of the issue.
No offence, but your documents are of secondary importance. It is what he is prepared to do that is important in this instance.
Nope. All you'll get from them with that is a good laugh. They will need solid evidence, not speculation, that you don't intend to stay on.-would it help if I promise that I will return to cambodia and I have no intentions of jeopardizing my future travels.
How do you provide that evidence ?
Simple.
Kids back home
A husband/wife back home
House ownership back home
A real bank account with real assets (say 20k+) that goes back way longer than 6 months
A position that pays a "normal" western salary (not a cambodian/third world salary under 800-900/month, which is pocket change in western countries)
A sponsor with deep pockets, or connected, or preferably both and who can make things happen
You don't have it ?
You're probably wasting your time, like 99% of applicants.
Fair ?
Nope, absolutely not and I sincerely wish you good luck but that's how it is and the tightening visa/immigration policies in the UK won't make things any easier. Actually many think it's too lax as it is.
You could also try the fake college route, like many indian and pakistani "students" have been doing, but that loophole is closing fast as bogus colleges run by indian sounding names are being eradicated (as they should).
All points but the last are also valid for US and EU visas. the US are even harder as even a married spouse (cfr OD) can't bring his legally wedded wife to the US, whereas I don't think it's an issue for Europeans.
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If you are a young Filipina woman who was willing to leave her friends and family in the Philippines for a relatively low paid job in relatively shitty Cambodia, why would you ever leave the UK once you got in?
Why not overstay, look for work, maybe marry your friend, and/or try to collect government benefits there?
It seems you don't have strong ties to the Philippines or Cambodia and they view you as someone at high risk of overstaying, regardless of your friend's promises or financial wherewithal.
Why not overstay, look for work, maybe marry your friend, and/or try to collect government benefits there?
It seems you don't have strong ties to the Philippines or Cambodia and they view you as someone at high risk of overstaying, regardless of your friend's promises or financial wherewithal.
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Schengen visa is just as tough.... German embassy....Chuck Wow wrote:Fly to Eastern Europe.
Bus to France.
Truck to Dover.
Job done. Stay as long as you like and get a free flight home when you turn yourself in.
OP,
I think you kind of fucked up. After two denials they will watch any new request with the highest suspicion.
The only thing that can make a difference, as far as I can see, is a letter from your friend in the UK, the original letter, confirming all your stories. This letter has to be legalized somewhere, either at a notary, or at city hall (can that be done in the UK @ city hall?).
Without it you don't stand a chance. I can fake a thousands friends by showing internet communications, they won't buy that.
I think you kind of fucked up. After two denials they will watch any new request with the highest suspicion.
The only thing that can make a difference, as far as I can see, is a letter from your friend in the UK, the original letter, confirming all your stories. This letter has to be legalized somewhere, either at a notary, or at city hall (can that be done in the UK @ city hall?).
Without it you don't stand a chance. I can fake a thousands friends by showing internet communications, they won't buy that.
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I don't think it matters if she is friends with him. The closer their relationship, the more likely it is she won't leave. The OP is from a poor country where young women are known to want to leave for other opportunities. She then left her home country to move to an even poorer country to work in a relatively low paying job. She has weak ties to the Philippines, weak ties to Cambodia, and whether she is casual friends with this guy or close friends or lovers, she is at a very high risk of never leaving the UK if she is allowed in.
As a general rule, young Filipina women who seek to borrow money to buy plane tickets out of the Philippines to Europe or America are not going to be viewed as bona fide tourists. They are immigrants.
As a general rule, young Filipina women who seek to borrow money to buy plane tickets out of the Philippines to Europe or America are not going to be viewed as bona fide tourists. They are immigrants.
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He's like Cal but substitute visas for cars.
... and substitute Cambodia for California.
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He's like Cal but substitute visas for cars.
... and substitute Cambodia for California.
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Save your money and stay here, at least its inexpensive, with friendly people and a nice place to live!
UK’s most desirable place is still a shithole, finds study:
After an annual study by the Halifax bank revealed that the Hampshire district of Hart is the UK’s most desirable place to live, concerns have started to grow that the entire country must be one big shithole. Despite the accolade, some residents of Hart have insisted that it’s no less of a shithole than anywhere else.
“It’s like one of those public toilets that you have to pay to get into,” revealed one resident.
“Because you have to pay to get in you think it’s going to be nicer, but once you get inside you realise it’s just another toilet.”
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Happy Lisa - immigrant applicant
You nailed it! I lived there for 2 1\2 Years! Thank God they refused my application. When they finally gave me back my passport they treated me so sweet for me to leave, but when I went back to visit my friends, they treated me like a terrosit! They held me for nine hours and twisted my words completely to make me look guilty! They sent me back to where my passport was last excepted. I did not have $3,000 to fly back to Cali the next day so I had to go to Cyprus and stay in a female Muslim camp! That was hell! Three weeks later I finally make it back home safe. When I lived in England I almost became a cynical twat! Thank God I was saved before I lost my happiness, love for others, and joy for life. Unlike "most" Englanders! Sad, self centered, judgmental cows! http://isitnormal.com/story/hate-the-uk-8123/
UK’s most desirable place is still a shithole, finds study:
After an annual study by the Halifax bank revealed that the Hampshire district of Hart is the UK’s most desirable place to live, concerns have started to grow that the entire country must be one big shithole. Despite the accolade, some residents of Hart have insisted that it’s no less of a shithole than anywhere else.
“It’s like one of those public toilets that you have to pay to get into,” revealed one resident.
“Because you have to pay to get in you think it’s going to be nicer, but once you get inside you realise it’s just another toilet.”
http://newsthump.com/2011/12/23/uks-mos ... nds-study/
Happy Lisa - immigrant applicant
You nailed it! I lived there for 2 1\2 Years! Thank God they refused my application. When they finally gave me back my passport they treated me so sweet for me to leave, but when I went back to visit my friends, they treated me like a terrosit! They held me for nine hours and twisted my words completely to make me look guilty! They sent me back to where my passport was last excepted. I did not have $3,000 to fly back to Cali the next day so I had to go to Cyprus and stay in a female Muslim camp! That was hell! Three weeks later I finally make it back home safe. When I lived in England I almost became a cynical twat! Thank God I was saved before I lost my happiness, love for others, and joy for life. Unlike "most" Englanders! Sad, self centered, judgmental cows! http://isitnormal.com/story/hate-the-uk-8123/
After reading your post I can say confidently that you do NOT qualify for a UK visa. You can keep trying but the outcome will be the same as they will look for reasons to refuse your application. To qualify for a tourist/visitor in any western country the applicant must satisfy the following criteria. 1. Genuine reason to go - dreaming all your life to visiting the UK is just that - a dream!!! 2. Finances to cover your trip - this is what all concerns lack. 3. Incentives to return to your home country - clearly you have left the Philippines and Cambodia is just a host country. Like I said before your chances of approval is very slim.
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I think we should applaud raz for being straight with her and giving her free advice rather than trying to solicit business here.
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