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Post by v12 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:37 am

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@citizenofdworld ...take yout tin foil hat off. It is a good scheme, and they are not scamming anyone, if they were being corrupt about it you would be reading of more people testing positive, the percentage is extremely low and mostly returning Cambodian Nationals from repatriation flights.
Theoretical, the scheme is "not bad". The practical implementation as well as the costs are certainly due for revision.

The "test" costs are quite high. For example in Frankfurt, Germany of all highly regulated countries, you can get a proper Covid-19 test at the airport for just EUR 59, result within a few hours, all day. Some airports in EU do this Covid-19 PCR test even for free. Not to say, in Korea and many EU countries ALL people can get tested for free as often as they want. At a large scale.

The food is charged at USD 10 a meal, for a delivery with a value of something like 5000-6000 Riel and as such is really expensive. USD 10 for 200 people, that's USD 2000, 3 times a day, that's USD 6000. Quite a lot of money for 3 meals a day for 200 people, created in bulk, all the same meal, without anything special included.

The "laundry" at USD 15 for a wash, yeah. The day or overnight room for USD 30+ a night.

Don't forget, the government does purchase these supplies at "bulk" quantity pricing in a highly saturated market and subsequently sells at seriously inflated "retail" pricing. There are no "individual" services at the accommodation, no room cleaning, etc.

The "bus" ride to town. 40 people in a city bus for USD 5 each, gives USD 200 for a 30-minute ride. That's more than the same bus does make in a week on its daily Phnom Penh bus routes..... Bus cleaning ?
Hmmmm, just let the bus sit for a couple of hours in a hot sunny environment and the virus reduction potential is significantly better, than with chemicals (which effectively does destroy the interior items of the bus).

On top of that, there is no "complaint" option available.

And the implementation seems to let potentially infected people intermingle freely, giving potential subsequent infections.

Also, the general rule that all passengers need to be quarantined is over the top. If somebody in Economy turns out to be infected, there is no reason to assume the business class passengers would be infected from that, neither the people sitting 2+ rows away from the infected person.

On top of that, the majority of infections do indeed seem to come from return-home Cambodians, for which the government does not require Covid-19 PCR negative status, before travel. Or so to say, the majority of mass quarantines, are the result of governmental decisions, but the non-Cambodian visitors do have to pay. Not really fair, I would say.

So potential improvements:
- Airlines should just insist on Covid-19 PCR negative tests to accept passengers for Long Haul trips, that'll rule out the majority of infected return-home Cambodians. This should be just a general rule, tot get the virus under control.
- No people allowed coming from high-risk locations like the US, UK, Brazil, Iran, India, Pakistan and some more.
- No intermingle of quarantined people, ie "the bus trip".......
- Lower pricing for all those things the government purchases in bulk.

So, yeah, the scheme is according some "Western" Asian cities, at high-end Western Asian cities pricing, but the deliverables are largely just Cambodian style quality.

Is this corruption ? Everything goes with receipts, etc, the "rules" are set, they do not cheat on the results, etc. So, no low-level corruption, no "scamming" by individuals who do the operations.

But the costs are over the top, the rules are over the top as well on the extreme precautionary side, whereas for those things where it can obviously be expected to go wrong, the government simply does no nothing. I can't imagine, nobody at the government does realize this. You may want to call this high-level corruption ......
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Post by Citizenofdworld » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:37 pm

PSD_Kiwi wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:27 pm
@citizenofdworld ...take yout tin foil hat off. It is a good scheme, and they are not scamming anyone, if they were being corrupt about it you would be reading of more people testing positive, the percentage is extremely low and mostly returning Cambodian Nationals from repatriation flights.
I hope you are right (coz I really need to go there). But remember -again- just one 'sick' person brings THEM a lot of $$ for doing...not much. Just a little cheating, which is...ok. Money more important. People even complained they didn't understand 'unlimited' health/travel insurance. They wanted to see the number/$$. Hmm. Btw, do you really believe in those numbers? Just a few sick, no dead. Somehow, mysteriously the virus bypassed Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam. 'my Cambodian people' tell me about weddings, funerals with hundreds of people going on like nothing is happening, markets crowded, banks full, public transport...better don't ask.private vans with 15 persons inside..no problem. But the Numbers given to WHO one of the best in the world. Do you laugh now or just smile (by being brainwashed by Him)? $20 for a meal? Khmer noodle soup or fried rice?! Oohhh.
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Post by Citizenofdworld » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:57 pm

Mea culpa. $10/meal.
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Post by horace » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:10 pm

^^ Why do you need to go to Cambodia? You certainly don't sound like you have been before!
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Post by Citizenofdworld » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:42 pm

Horace. Silly question. I live there (for longer than you think).
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Post by horace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:19 am

Well, for one , you talk about public transport which is virtually non existent unless you mean the inter provincial buses! And , I live there is different to I need to go there.
Good luck on getting back to your home but from what I know unless you have a work contract or can prove a family connection you have no chance. I call Cambodia home too or at least the place that feels most like home but I doubt very much that I will see it again for at least two years , if ever!
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Post by v12 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:06 am

And another 26 returning home Cambodians turned out to be Covid-19 infected.

Not to say, the same Malaysian Airlines aircraft departed 1 hour after arrival in Phnom Penh with passengers.

To me, this looks pretty irresponsible from the Cambodian government to allow people travel at this large scale without being Covid-19 tested negative. Understandable, the Cambodian government wants to repatriate sick Cambodians, though please, dedicated repatriation flights for infected people should be the way to go........ Don't let other people have to pay the (ultimate nor quarantine) price for this happening.
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Post by Gasser » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:02 pm

logos , I can't believe you did not ask if hygiene services include happy ending
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Post by Amazeballz » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:16 pm

If you pay by ABA, can they just send it back to you or do you still have to go in person?
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Post by PSD_Kiwi » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:39 pm

ABA is not one of the banks represented at the airport for paying the deposit, not sure how people were actually paying vis the app, they must have been transferring to one of the banks represented?
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Post by v12 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:14 pm

And this is how the testing can also be organized:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/health/covid-1 ... rt/1896381

$16, results in 2 hours, just cut the overhead and things get manageable.
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Post by horace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:19 pm

That seems sensible and works very well with my plan to try and cycle through eastern Europe next spring.
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Post by Guest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:18 pm

horace wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:19 am
Well, for one , you talk about public transport which is virtually non existent unless you mean the inter provincial buses!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phnom_Penh_City_Bus
if i recall correctly every 10 minutes for a bus on monivong depending on the traffic.
app called "Stops near me"
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Post by horace » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:15 am

Guest wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:18 pm
horace wrote: ↑
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Well, for one , you talk about public transport which is virtually non existent unless you mean the inter provincial buses!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phnom_Penh_City_Bus
if i recall correctly every 10 minutes for a bus on monivong depending on the traffic.
app called "Stops near me"
A few buses on a few streets which were never popular does not make a public transport system. However,I have been gone four years so it may have changed, I doubt it, but if a named not a guest poster corrects then I shall shut up, if not your just a guest who hasn't even set foot in PP.
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