So did a shitload of fucking twats who ended up wishing they had the sense to get a proper degree when they realized that teaching English (for free, no less) might not be the career path they were overjoyed about when the real world bit them on the ass.Harold wrote:Many great men started their career lives in teaching.
Anyone know of volunteer opportunities in northern Cambodia.
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Harold, ignore the bitterness on this thread. If you studied history because you were interested in it, more power to you. If you are going to teach for a couple years for a new, different experience, then that's great and I wish you all the luck. I've actually never heard such anti-liberal arts education views in my life until reading this forum, but they are coming from those who didn't even go to college. If you have a smart, inquisitive, well-rounded mind, the world is your oyster.
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No, no, you're absolutely right, plopping down thousands of dollars and four years of one's life for a vanity degree is definitely not a pisspoor waste.Capital_9 wrote:I've actually never heard such anti-liberal arts education views in my life until reading this forum, but they are coming from those who didn't even go to college...
Hey OP, what happened in 1824? I'll tell you what happened, some dumbass didn't bother to continue his educational path to a financially useful conclusion and fucked up his life.
Now there's a useful goddamned piece of history for you.
A vanity degree? I guess it is a truism that the uneducated simply don't understand enough to value education properly. I feel sorry for those who can not comprehend the larger role of education as a positive force in an individual's and a society's maturation. If you look over the past however many hundreds of years, society as a whole has made tremendous progress in probably every area. From individual freedoms to scientific understanding, we have advanced as a species. How was that possible? Get an education and find out.WonkoTheSane wrote: No, no, you're absolutely right, plopping down thousands of dollars and four years of one's life for a vanity degree is definitely not a pisspoor waste.
As for the cost of higher education, I agree that costs have risen considerably the past few decades, far faster than general inflation. However, it is also the case that there are many extremely good universities that now offer free rides to any student who gets accepted but who cannot afford tuition.
I did what you might consider a vanity degree: History and Philosophy. Loved it. It was incredibly challenging and taught me all kinds of skills beyond that of knowing dates and ideas. It taught me to think, to question and to rationalise ideas. It's also driven me into a career that has taken me all around the world. Wouldn't have changed it for the world.WonkoTheSane wrote:
No, no, you're absolutely right, plopping down thousands of dollars and four years of one's life for a vanity degree is definitely not a pisspoor waste.
Hey OP, what happened in 1824? I'll tell you what happened, some dumbass didn't bother to continue his educational path to a financially useful conclusion and fucked up his life.
Now there's a useful goddamned piece of history for you.
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Did somebody hack Capital_9's account? Someone's posting good sense on his behalf!
Harold, don't let the plethora of idiot teacher-haters on this board get to you. Lord Lucan made the only relevant post in response to your OP - there are very few English teaching posts available in the northern regions, and they are probably voluntary positions with NGOs. The paid work is almost entirely in the urban areas, primarily Phnom Penh.
Your best bet is to get yourself to Phnom Penh and from here network to find any gigs in the north of the country is that's still your intention.
Harold, don't let the plethora of idiot teacher-haters on this board get to you. Lord Lucan made the only relevant post in response to your OP - there are very few English teaching posts available in the northern regions, and they are probably voluntary positions with NGOs. The paid work is almost entirely in the urban areas, primarily Phnom Penh.
Your best bet is to get yourself to Phnom Penh and from here network to find any gigs in the north of the country is that's still your intention.
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You make significant assumptions about others' levels of education, you might be surprised.Capital_9 wrote:I guess it is a truism that the uneducated simply don't understand enough to value education properly...
I still submit that OP going and getting an advanced degree which has recognizable potential to increase financial solvency prior to fucking about in Asia makes sense...
But I'm sure I'm wrong, after all fiscal foresight and planning are poor ideas. No one has ever regretted their carelessness of youth and wasted opportunities.
My plan isn't to fuck around in Asia. I have already spent over a year living in Asia and while it would be fair to say that I fucked around for the first 6 months, I have stopped drinking. I use my free time to study languages and history and writing.
Thanks for the helpful reply, andyinasia. Also scobienz what did you end up doing with your degree and how did it land you in Cambodia of all places.
Thanks for the helpful reply, andyinasia. Also scobienz what did you end up doing with your degree and how did it land you in Cambodia of all places.
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Harold, take andy's advice. I don't always agree with him, but I respect him, and in many cases, including this one in particular, he knows what he is talking about.
I have been here for 12 years plus, I know a few people in international companies and NGO's and I may be able to give you some decent advice/contact details.
PM me if you want to meet.
I'd be more than willing to meet you and talk.
I have been here for 12 years plus, I know a few people in international companies and NGO's and I may be able to give you some decent advice/contact details.
PM me if you want to meet.
I'd be more than willing to meet you and talk.
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Not really. The example with Michael Jordan would need to be more along the lines that he did a certain workout program earlier, so others thought imitating that workout would lead to a seat on an NBA team. The OP's point was that there are myriad examples of those who were interested in history enough to study it more deeply eventually going on to become leaders, and so such a degree may have merit. That's a reasonable view to take, but I don't think it is necessary to use to defend higher education, if a defense was ever needed.Pol Pothead wrote: The OP bringing up famous people who also studied history as examples of his potential is a bit silly. It's like saying "basketball player Michael Jordan studied Cultural Geography in college and he did okay for himself...so it must be a decent degree to have".
Sad day when a degree in history is considered a waste of time. What's a 'good' degree? Law or accounting? Yeah - like the world needs more lawyers and accountants. Actually in most cases it doesn't matter what people do in uni - the point is they go, have new experiences and come out as different people.
As for your proposal to work on a voluntary basis. Why? Cambodia needs to get out of this never-ending 'everything given for free' mindset. If you provide a valid service, you should get paid for it.
As for your proposal to work on a voluntary basis. Why? Cambodia needs to get out of this never-ending 'everything given for free' mindset. If you provide a valid service, you should get paid for it.
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Those if us who paid for our own educations apparently have a slightly different view of the purpose.
And OP, you ARE fucking around in Asia, that's what 'studying languages and history and writing' is.
I'm not even saying don't fuck around in Asia, I'm just saying get your educational shit together first so when you're done 'studying languages and history and writing' (fucking around) you can afford to STOP fucking around.
And OP, you ARE fucking around in Asia, that's what 'studying languages and history and writing' is.
I'm not even saying don't fuck around in Asia, I'm just saying get your educational shit together first so when you're done 'studying languages and history and writing' (fucking around) you can afford to STOP fucking around.
If you go to a good university, that tuition is probably the single best investment you can make in your life. If you are so one dimensional to think that skills you learn in university must lead directly to jobs whose salary pays a certain return on tuition spent, then you are doomed to never understand the indescribable beauty of the world around us and the history that led us to this point. If at 18 years of age you try to plan out the next decade or two, you will be all the poorer for it. At 18, a man with curiosity and ambition should be looking to expand his mind, not to narrow his set of opportunities.Pol Pothead wrote: Higher education is insanely expensive in the US, and I was spending my own hard earned money to attend.
But as said before, there are some excellent universities that offer free rides to students who can not afford tuition.
If a high school student wants to go to university to study and to grow, it is a cruel form of child abuse to discourage him.
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