Teaching English without a degree - the real deal
Teaching English without a degree - the real deal
Good day everyone,
This question has been asked previously, on this forum and elsewhere, but the information is either outdated or conflicting.
Vital stats: white, 35, male, presentable, native English speaker (Yank) with a brain in good working condition
CV: no degree, no certifications, no prior teaching experience
Current job: Office administrator & Documentation Manager (meaning I proofread and edit all office documentation)
Realistically, as of March 2020, what are my chances of obtaining a decent teaching job in Cambodia? I'd love to relocate to SE Asia. I have been to Cambodia before, but as a tourist (yes, I know it's not the same as being a resident). I've seen folks say, "As long as you're white, presentable, and a native speaker, you'll quickly find a decent job at all but the top international schools". Websites promoting certificates/designations also tout Cambodia as a great destination, but they have an interest (and the info might be outdated).
Others, however, have said that things have changed dramatically, and that Cambodia has joined the other countries in SE Asia tightening the screws with respect to teachers without proper credentials.
1. Realistically, what are my prospects?
2. Is CELTA worth it? Sounds like a questionable investment, given that I don't even know whether I'll secure a job and how long I will last in a job like this.
I'd be very grateful for your advice. Just please be nice and civil. Also, I have no intention of shortchanging local students - teaching is often less about transmission of knowledge than about inspiration. I would genuinely like to make a contribution locally and hope that locals might benefit from their interaction with me.
Thank you,
Luke
This question has been asked previously, on this forum and elsewhere, but the information is either outdated or conflicting.
Vital stats: white, 35, male, presentable, native English speaker (Yank) with a brain in good working condition
CV: no degree, no certifications, no prior teaching experience
Current job: Office administrator & Documentation Manager (meaning I proofread and edit all office documentation)
Realistically, as of March 2020, what are my chances of obtaining a decent teaching job in Cambodia? I'd love to relocate to SE Asia. I have been to Cambodia before, but as a tourist (yes, I know it's not the same as being a resident). I've seen folks say, "As long as you're white, presentable, and a native speaker, you'll quickly find a decent job at all but the top international schools". Websites promoting certificates/designations also tout Cambodia as a great destination, but they have an interest (and the info might be outdated).
Others, however, have said that things have changed dramatically, and that Cambodia has joined the other countries in SE Asia tightening the screws with respect to teachers without proper credentials.
1. Realistically, what are my prospects?
2. Is CELTA worth it? Sounds like a questionable investment, given that I don't even know whether I'll secure a job and how long I will last in a job like this.
I'd be very grateful for your advice. Just please be nice and civil. Also, I have no intention of shortchanging local students - teaching is often less about transmission of knowledge than about inspiration. I would genuinely like to make a contribution locally and hope that locals might benefit from their interaction with me.
Thank you,
Luke
Once things are back to normal (I am not in Cambodia right now, my plan was to look for something once things are back to normal, and yes, I am optimistic that things will soon be back to normal). Let's assume that we are not living with COVID-19.
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I wouldn't assume too much if I were you. You don't know this country and it is likely the shit will hit the fan soon. Wrong place, wrong time.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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The Celta is worth it and if you have a first degree and you do it in Siem Reap at A.C.E. they will offer your job at the end if you're any good. And sometimes they employ people without degrees.
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Fred Edwards wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:57 amThe Celta is worth it and if you have a first degree and you do it in Siem Reap at A.C.E. they will offer your job at the end if you're any good. And sometimes they employ people without degrees.
CV: no degree, no certifications, no prior teaching experience
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Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
The assumption is that the pandemic is transitory. If it's not, we'll have to readjust our opinions about just about everything, not just Cambodia.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:55 amI wouldn't assume too much if I were you. You don't know this country and it is likely the shit will hit the fan soon. Wrong place, wrong time.
As for Cambodia, yes, you're right. I don't know this country. That's why I am asking for advice. I'd be grateful for yours. Would you care to elaborate a bit (about the shit hitting the fan and it being the wrong place, wrong time)?
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A very low chance without a qualification, you may get some lower tier school who'd give you a job but such a low salary you'd be stuck in a world of debt and depression perhaps alcohol abuse. If you want to teach, respect it like the vocation it is and get a proper teaching qualification, you correctly note that Cambodia is also moving towards ensuring teachers are qualified so a big risk to take. If you can't be bothered to do that then I'd suggest teaching isn't for you, plenty of qualified teachers in region who'll be desperate for work when the schools finally reopen. look at LinkedIn job listings for Cambodia or bongthom.com and see what jobs you are qualified to do . pitching up here when loads of businesses are struggling and tourism is down your have to have something to offer to make it, otherwise it will be very hard.
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What else are you doing for the next month of your life? Why not get both a CELTA and a TEFL online?
Self isolate, and accomplish something that will help you in the future.
Why anyone would hire someone without at least one of the certifications, when they are so easy to get, is beyond me.
Self isolate, and accomplish something that will help you in the future.
Why anyone would hire someone without at least one of the certifications, when they are so easy to get, is beyond me.
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Teach Online. There are places that don't require a degree and you can get a cheap online cert.
Here's a link to a helpful resource.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1461639020536035/
BTW: The CELTA is for teaching adults, which you won't be doing in Cambodia without a degree.
Here's a link to a helpful resource.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1461639020536035/
BTW: The CELTA is for teaching adults, which you won't be doing in Cambodia without a degree.
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your chances of obtaining a *decent* teaching job are very low.Lukester wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:16 pmGood day everyone,
This question has been asked previously, on this forum and elsewhere, but the information is either outdated or conflicting.
Vital stats: white, 35, male, presentable, native English speaker (Yank) with a brain in good working condition
CV: no degree, no certifications, no prior teaching experience
Current job: Office administrator & Documentation Manager (meaning I proofread and edit all office documentation)
Realistically, as of March 2020, what are my chances of obtaining a decent teaching job in Cambodia? I'd love to relocate to SE Asia. I have been to Cambodia before, but as a tourist (yes, I know it's not the same as being a resident). I've seen folks say, "As long as you're white, presentable, and a native speaker, you'll quickly find a decent job at all but the top international schools". Websites promoting certificates/designations also tout Cambodia as a great destination, but they have an interest (and the info might be outdated).
Others, however, have said that things have changed dramatically, and that Cambodia has joined the other countries in SE Asia tightening the screws with respect to teachers without proper credentials.
1. Realistically, what are my prospects?
2. Is CELTA worth it? Sounds like a questionable investment, given that I don't even know whether I'll secure a job and how long I will last in a job like this.
I'd be very grateful for your advice. Just please be nice and civil. Also, I have no intention of shortchanging local students - teaching is often less about transmission of knowledge than about inspiration. I would genuinely like to make a contribution locally and hope that locals might benefit from their interaction with me.
Thank you,
Luke
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled.
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Thanks everyone! I am going to have to give it some further thought.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to respond.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to respond.
There will be loads of jobs after the forthcoming zombie no have rice apocalypse as the teachers that don't starve to death will be eaten.
The point is though that you should know how to teach a student who is paying, I think, so go study it.
Good teachers are amazing people.
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You do realise a lot of teachers have fake degrees right?
Now don't be a retard and say you're degree is in English language but something obscure like architecture.
There are schools which have hired convicted nonces till one of the other teachers did a quick google search on his name (I wish this wasn't true)
Now don't be a retard and say you're degree is in English language but something obscure like architecture.
There are schools which have hired convicted nonces till one of the other teachers did a quick google search on his name (I wish this wasn't true)
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