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yeah, have to agree there.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
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Re tigers.
I've noticed a few "new" additions to Google Earth recently... a lot higher resolution imagery of small areas within forested regions than has been available in the past; objects 20/30cm or so across can be seen quite clearly. Bear in mind that this post is regarding a relatively small area that has new imagery available... most all areas are not covered in this level of detail with the free service... maybe if you pay, but I don't.
Yesterday, I was looking around and found a few patches of trees laying on the ground, so today I went back to look further. From the top to the bottom (north/south) of Google's newly covered area is around 32km - a vast percentage of which has been comprehensively logged out.
How do I know?
I can see thousands upon thousands of trees on the ground, I can see holding/stacking areas 1.3km across, and I can see the sawmill and roads leading to it.
I placed markers on areas showing cut trees, and from the northernmost to the southernmost marker is 31.27km - pretty much the whole "height" of the new Google imagery. there's further forest both north and south, but old imagery covers that with no good detail.
This area is very close to, or intruding on, a wildlife sanctuary, the imagery for which is of several "ages".
The oldest doesn't have the detail to show cut trees, one step newer shows them - but not clearly, and the newest shows them extremely well. As luck would have it, the oldest imagery is a strip down the middle of the two newer areas, and clear differences can be seen.
Below is a series of screengrabs from Google Earth and a link to a .kmz file. Download the .kmz, open it with Google Earth and see for yourself.
Tigers?
I think I was kidding myself with my earlier post here. It would be nice to think that there are some out there - but if the rest of the forest outside of the current range of G.Earth's new, higher-res' imagery is as fkd-up as this particular area, I think it's safe to say the tigers left long ago.
Yellow pins are cut trees visible on the ground.
Blue pins are holding areas for stacked timber - they have a marked area around them as does one yellow pin.
The red pin is the sawmill.
The green pin is a logging road that simply "isn't" on the old imagery.
The white line is new power lines passing through the area - zoom in and you can easily see individual cables... good detail.
Use the ruler function in G.Earth to measure the trees/logs/holding areas/etc - I get between 10 and 20m for the most of the logs.
1. Overview - this area within Cambodia
2. Overview 2 - the distance from the top yellow pin to bottom yellow pin is 31.27km
3. Overview 3 - the distance from the easternmost to westernmost yellow pins is 42.12km
4. This area is in and/or around Phnum Samkoh Wildlife Sanctuary. I haven't checked the placement accuracy of the sanctuary pin on Google Earth.
5. The oldest of the imagery is a strip down the middle of this area.
6. The border between the oldest and newest imagery clearly shows the road that wasn't obviously there.
7. A couple of images showing measurement of 2 of the 3 stacked timber areas, they're both 1.3km across - the yellow line is the ruler.
8. An area where most every tree has been felled and left - this area is 1.7km across.
9. A view of the newest imagery showing pins obliquely - these are just the pins for the new imagery area... it looks like they're leaving the hills alone, but there are tyre tracks leading up there, too.
So.
If the rest of the forest in and around wildlife sanctuaries in $ambodia is anything like this, I for one would think there's not a chance in hell of any tiger making the area its home turf.
Waiting on the next release of higher-res pictures from Google.
Here's the .kmz file download link...
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27008114/Logging.kmz
Cheers
C
I've noticed a few "new" additions to Google Earth recently... a lot higher resolution imagery of small areas within forested regions than has been available in the past; objects 20/30cm or so across can be seen quite clearly. Bear in mind that this post is regarding a relatively small area that has new imagery available... most all areas are not covered in this level of detail with the free service... maybe if you pay, but I don't.
Yesterday, I was looking around and found a few patches of trees laying on the ground, so today I went back to look further. From the top to the bottom (north/south) of Google's newly covered area is around 32km - a vast percentage of which has been comprehensively logged out.
How do I know?
I can see thousands upon thousands of trees on the ground, I can see holding/stacking areas 1.3km across, and I can see the sawmill and roads leading to it.
I placed markers on areas showing cut trees, and from the northernmost to the southernmost marker is 31.27km - pretty much the whole "height" of the new Google imagery. there's further forest both north and south, but old imagery covers that with no good detail.
This area is very close to, or intruding on, a wildlife sanctuary, the imagery for which is of several "ages".
The oldest doesn't have the detail to show cut trees, one step newer shows them - but not clearly, and the newest shows them extremely well. As luck would have it, the oldest imagery is a strip down the middle of the two newer areas, and clear differences can be seen.
Below is a series of screengrabs from Google Earth and a link to a .kmz file. Download the .kmz, open it with Google Earth and see for yourself.
Tigers?
I think I was kidding myself with my earlier post here. It would be nice to think that there are some out there - but if the rest of the forest outside of the current range of G.Earth's new, higher-res' imagery is as fkd-up as this particular area, I think it's safe to say the tigers left long ago.
Yellow pins are cut trees visible on the ground.
Blue pins are holding areas for stacked timber - they have a marked area around them as does one yellow pin.
The red pin is the sawmill.
The green pin is a logging road that simply "isn't" on the old imagery.
The white line is new power lines passing through the area - zoom in and you can easily see individual cables... good detail.
Use the ruler function in G.Earth to measure the trees/logs/holding areas/etc - I get between 10 and 20m for the most of the logs.
1. Overview - this area within Cambodia
2. Overview 2 - the distance from the top yellow pin to bottom yellow pin is 31.27km
3. Overview 3 - the distance from the easternmost to westernmost yellow pins is 42.12km
4. This area is in and/or around Phnum Samkoh Wildlife Sanctuary. I haven't checked the placement accuracy of the sanctuary pin on Google Earth.
5. The oldest of the imagery is a strip down the middle of this area.
6. The border between the oldest and newest imagery clearly shows the road that wasn't obviously there.
7. A couple of images showing measurement of 2 of the 3 stacked timber areas, they're both 1.3km across - the yellow line is the ruler.
8. An area where most every tree has been felled and left - this area is 1.7km across.
9. A view of the newest imagery showing pins obliquely - these are just the pins for the new imagery area... it looks like they're leaving the hills alone, but there are tyre tracks leading up there, too.
So.
If the rest of the forest in and around wildlife sanctuaries in $ambodia is anything like this, I for one would think there's not a chance in hell of any tiger making the area its home turf.
Waiting on the next release of higher-res pictures from Google.
Here's the .kmz file download link...
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27008114/Logging.kmz
Cheers
C
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The same thing in what used to be a huge swathe of almost pristine forest between Siem Reap and Anlong Veng. You have to wonder what the venal kleptocrats in the CPP and the so-called "generals" in their fucking useless "army" will turn their attention to next, once they've finished raping the environment and murdering the poor and suchlike.
Evertime I go bush I see the clear felled hills and wonder what the bastards will steal next.The sand will probably never run out but the damage to the eco system is probably worse than logging and when the dams start affecting fish stocks the poor are fucked.
I guess by then the obscenely rich will have migrated to singapore.However change is in the hands ofthe people, it needs a lot more brave,selfless individuals to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Brave,selfless?
Sorry this is cambodia.
I guess by then the obscenely rich will have migrated to singapore.However change is in the hands ofthe people, it needs a lot more brave,selfless individuals to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Brave,selfless?
Sorry this is cambodia.
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I’m not sure that 90-something percent of Cambodians realise quite how obscenely wealthy a certain group of their countrymen in PP have become at their expense. The CPP has become quite adept at keeping rural poor en masse out of the capital in recent years, this weekend being a case in point with roadblocks on highways and so on. I wonder what kind of flimsy pretext they'll come up with for cancelling the Water Festival next year.ken svay wrote:Evertime I go bush I see the clear felled hills and wonder what the bastards will steal next.The sand will probably never run out but the damage to the eco system is probably worse than logging and when the dams start affecting fish stocks the poor are fucked.
I guess by then the obscenely rich will have migrated to singapore.However change is in the hands ofthe people, it needs a lot more brave,selfless individuals to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
Brave,selfless?
Sorry this is cambodia.
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[waits for someone to chime in with "they're just doing what has to be done because this is cambodia and it has to be ruled with an iron fist (in someones pocket)" or something of the sort]
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
Finally, somebody with common sense ! Great post.Chuangt2u wrote:Re tigers.
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Tigers?
I think I was kidding myself with my earlier post here. It would be nice to think that there are some out there - but if the rest of the forest outside of the current range of G.Earth's new, higher-res' imagery is as fkd-up as this particular area, I think it's safe to say the tigers left long ago.
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@OD: May I assume you intend with 100 km2: 100km x 100km = 10000 km2 ?
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v12 wrote:Forget the Tigers in Cambodia.
Tigers need big cattle (alike) animals for diner. Since the only animals like that in Cambodia are the cows & buffalos hurdled by farmers, Tigers would come close to the villages and steel the cows. That would be national news. Not to speak of a lone Cambodian (or kid) grabbed by a Tiger, even more national news.
No Tigers in Cambodia, only wild-life organizations defending their local living allowances.
Sorry to disturb your dreams.
Hit the nail on the head there, sounds like many others i know of in this country! Sucking it dry and living the dream!
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(Yawn)
v12, I suggest you and/or your ‘notorious’ sock puppet do a search; there are plenty of threads on here hating on NGOs already. They mostly consist of tedious rants from assorted illiterates such as yourself, but some of the threads include intelligent and lucid posts covering the ins-and-outs of the NGO game from people like Jacked Camry and TJP777, which is a cut above the cheap barstool cynicism you typically hear from envious, impoverished, halfwitted eurotrash.
v12, I suggest you and/or your ‘notorious’ sock puppet do a search; there are plenty of threads on here hating on NGOs already. They mostly consist of tedious rants from assorted illiterates such as yourself, but some of the threads include intelligent and lucid posts covering the ins-and-outs of the NGO game from people like Jacked Camry and TJP777, which is a cut above the cheap barstool cynicism you typically hear from envious, impoverished, halfwitted eurotrash.
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up to 100 square kilometers in area. no real evidence of affixing to any specific shape though. that's a pretty retarded size area to try and stalk a predator in with any hopes in actually finding it. especially if it's being encroached on by humans making it inhabitable... thus causing the territory to shift and move.v12 wrote:@OD: May I assume you intend with 100 km2: 100km x 100km = 10000 km2 ?
As to the diet needs and the claim they need large animals...
Looks like they have options other than needing a cow/khmer child/bargirl to sustain themselves. Some of them [bolded] a little more likely than others... especially the goddamn monkeys... i say we train some tigers to LOVE eating fucking monkey and turn em loose.Tigers can consume 20 to 35 kg (44-77 lb.) of food at one sitting; but they usually eat about 15 to 18 kg (33-40 lb.) of food a day, over several days.
A tiger's favorite prey is deer and wild boar. Deer species may include sambar, chital, sika deer, swamp deer, and hog deer, among others. Depending on the habitat, tigers may also eat antelope, buffalo, guar, domestic livestock, peafowl, monkeys, civets, porcupines, fish, frogs, crabs, large monitor lizards, pythons, and young elephants or rhinos.
Prey living in dense, forested areas (where tigers are found) tend to be more scattered in distribution. Because of this, tigers will attack most any animal that places itself in a vulnerable position.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
100 km2 = 10km x 10km, something like the PP city area. Not exactly a large area for a big animal.
You don't seem to understand the difference between rants and reality. I personally know to many of these do-gooder organisations in Cambodia to believe their public statements. Their intentions aren't that much in overlap with the Cambodians wishes, though show a high coherence with their own background and personal living preferences. And of course, there are many useful NGO's.shitegeist wrote:(Yawn)
v12, I suggest you and/or your ‘notorious’ sock puppet do a search; there are plenty of threads on here hating on NGOs already. They mostly consist of tedious rants from assorted illiterates such as yourself, but some of the threads include intelligent and lucid posts covering the ins-and-outs of the NGO game from people like Jacked Camry and TJP777, which is a cut above the cheap barstool cynicism you typically hear from envious, impoverished, halfwitted eurotrash.
Regarding your presumption about "envious, impoverished, halfwitted eurotrash", you're simply completely off.
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