Tigers in Cambodia?
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please put up some camera traps for our amusement, I heard the camera of the iphone 5 is very succesfull in shooting pictures of such creatures, though keep in mind that the camera trap should be particularly well secured against the inquisitive nature of the subjects to avoid it from being lost in the jungle.cambod wrote:I've seen a few cougars in Pontoon
See: Panda.shitegeist wrote:It took me about 5 seconds of googling to come up with several examples of tigers caught on camera traps in Cambodia, including one from April of this year.
All "maybe's", latest mentioned facts from 2007. If there would have been 20-30 Tigers in Cambodia, these would have been far more visible to humans, especially, when you are looking for these species.
Not to say, that the Tigers should meet each other to take care for new breed. Hard to expect with only (over estimated) 20-30 for the whole of Cambodia.
See: Living:
"An adult tiger needs about 50 medium-sized animals each year to survive, so large populations of prey are needed to supply enough food to ensure the tiger population can recover."
Is this amount of large population of preys available in Cambodia ? Yes, around the villages, not in their presumed habitat.
See: Picture link page and click on the "FIND OUT MORE" for pictures -> Page not found. The URL suggests, it is already from 2010.
All kinds of "maybe's", no proof, only "it is believed to ....". Good for people with hope for a better life (why do women buy cosmetics or whitening cream ).
Real Tigers do have striping, sufficient to identify the animal on an individual basis. So collect pictures and you can get a fair impression of the number of different animals you capture.
Real Tigers have their DNA in the excrements, lost hairs, etc -> Do DNA analysis on all found stuff and you get info about the family and quantity of individuals.
All fairly basic stuff to find out, in a lean and mean way, without the need for large organizations. Any reporting of this ? I didn't see any. It should be on their site. Even the smallest fact based info about that, would attract attention and more money for the organization.
With the amount of money, effort and all people involved with this, it should have returned a lot more information.
Note: I don't suggest the Tiger (existence) isn't welcome in Cambodia. I just don't think this is the situation (any longer).
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shitegeist wrote:v12 wrote:Forget the Tigers in Cambodia.
Tigers need big cattle (alike) animals for diner. Since the only animals like that in Cambodia are the cows & buffalos hurdled by farmers, Tigers would come close to the villages and steel the cows. That would be national news. Not to speak of a lone Cambodian (or kid) grabbed by a Tiger, even more national news.
No Tigers in Cambodia, only wild-life organizations defending their local living allowances.
Sorry to disturb your dreams.
My colleagues and I occasionally work in places in Cambodia that are remote enough that we have to be choppered in, including in the Cardamoms. It's true that even the remotest areas have usually been selectively logged out of luxury hardwoods, but to suggest that you're never far from people, and that there is therefore no tiger habitat, and that it's all part of the great mythical NGO conspiracy, is just plain dumb. In fact I'm sure I read an article just recently about Thais illegally crossing the border and poaching tigers from the Cardamoms for sale in Thailand, but I'm too lazy to Google it.
Speaking of which, some colleagues choppered into a remote area of the Cardamoms last month had their rangers fire shots and set up a perimeter of bonfires after sighting a tiger stalking their camp one night. Scat was collected for DNA proof. Sorry, v12.shitegeist wrote:I might add that when we work in those areas we're typically accompanied by rangers armed with assault rifles, and even they are nervous about tigers at night in camp.
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Ya read that there was big cats in the cardamom mountains, glad to hear there still are with all the logging activities.shitegeist wrote:shitegeist wrote:v12 wrote:Forget the Tigers in Cambodia.
Tigers need big cattle (alike) animals for diner. Since the only animals like that in Cambodia are the cows & buffalos hurdled by farmers, Tigers would come close to the villages and steel the cows. That would be national news. Not to speak of a lone Cambodian (or kid) grabbed by a Tiger, even more national news.
No Tigers in Cambodia, only wild-life organizations defending their local living allowances.
Sorry to disturb your dreams.
My colleagues and I occasionally work in places in Cambodia that are remote enough that we have to be choppered in, including in the Cardamoms. It's true that even the remotest areas have usually been selectively logged out of luxury hardwoods, but to suggest that you're never far from people, and that there is therefore no tiger habitat, and that it's all part of the great mythical NGO conspiracy, is just plain dumb. In fact I'm sure I read an article just recently about Thais illegally crossing the border and poaching tigers from the Cardamoms for sale in Thailand, but I'm too lazy to Google it.Speaking of which, some colleagues choppered into a remote area of the Cardamoms last month had their rangers fire shots and set up a perimeter of bonfires after sighting a tiger stalking their camp one night. Scat was collected for DNA proof. Sorry, v12.shitegeist wrote:I might add that when we work in those areas we're typically accompanied by rangers armed with assault rifles, and even they are nervous about tigers at night in camp.
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Very hard to find one tiger here and almost certainly no breeding pairs.I think the boys defending the perimeter saw a leopard.
Thais crossing the border to poach tigers-fanciful nonsense.
Thais crossing the border to poach tigers-fanciful nonsense.
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You guys do know that tigers span very large territories and have no real respect for international borders right? Up to potentially 100Km2.
They could easily be moving around in that area in ways difficult to track/etc. Ideally they should be tagged by some conservation group with radio tags.
And tigers don't form "breeding pairs", while they don't form prides like lions it will still usually be one male impregnating many females within his territory. They also don't really have to rely on chance encounters/singles bars. They are predators, and can track down more than prey... they can stalk out the smell of a horny ho as well.
All of that said, no idea what the Cambodian situation is. Without a group with more on their mind than donations it would be hard to say. would be curious to see what the results of that DNA test are though.
They could easily be moving around in that area in ways difficult to track/etc. Ideally they should be tagged by some conservation group with radio tags.
And tigers don't form "breeding pairs", while they don't form prides like lions it will still usually be one male impregnating many females within his territory. They also don't really have to rely on chance encounters/singles bars. They are predators, and can track down more than prey... they can stalk out the smell of a horny ho as well.
All of that said, no idea what the Cambodian situation is. Without a group with more on their mind than donations it would be hard to say. would be curious to see what the results of that DNA test are though.
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To tag one you need to find one first.Many people have been looking, fuck all so far.A few years ago I spoke with an american chap who came looking.He said then that there might be a few left.
By now, there may be none.
By now, there may be none.
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thus my comment: "Without a group with more on their mind than donations it would be hard to say."ken svay wrote:To tag one you need to find one first.Many people have been looking, fuck all so far.A few years ago I spoke with an american chap who came looking.He said then that there might be a few left.
By now, there may be none.
i'd be curious to know what methods the people looking have used. technology for this stuff is better and better every year and if they're there they shouldn't be hard to bait with some hormonal "pissing off" by making them think their territory has been invaded. letting them find you is probably easier than you trying to find them, lol.
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It’s possible. Khmers with automatic weapons tend to be pretty excitable, but at least one of them was apparently a proper MOE park ranger, not just army/police, so I think the ID is probably valid. Will post if I hear anything about the DNA.ken svay wrote:I think the boys defending the perimeter saw a leopard.
OD is right, national borders mean nothing to tigers, and there are better-documented populations in common wilderness areas in neighbouring countries, which is probably why the best available science (as summarized by the IUCN) estimates a very small surviving population in Cambodia.
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though it's likely that they would have migrated there if the food source here was overly depleted. they'd have no urge to hang around hungry.
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i would think that a lot of conseravationists wont yet dare to explore these areas due to the very real threat of land mines etc,from the old days.
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Even in the very remotest areas you can usually find trails cut by small-time loggers pulling out luxury hardwoods, or leading to small shrines to the spirits that you often find on mountain tops and/or rockshelters in Cambodia. In the rare event that you can't, we go with a CMAC guy who goes at the front of the column with a metal detector, and normally finds a shitload of tin cans. Maybe the whole landmine thing is a great NGO conspiracy, just like the tigers.krisduncs wrote:i would think that a lot of conseravationists wont yet dare to explore these areas due to the very real threat of land mines etc,from the old days.
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