Yeah, um. All i'd say is don't do it. I very almost did, and as PB points out, to say "it didn't work out well" would be an understatement. I played with fire and was lucky to come away with only mild burns. Let's just leave it at that.keeping_it_riel wrote:Bubble T might tell you unless he's saving the story for Chapter 1 of his autobiography.
Plot Spoiler - His autobiography was very nearly a very short 1 chapter book.
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I saw those yesterday.. I'm getting PB the Playboy Logo one when I pick up my Skull & Crossbones one later this weekStarving Pelican wrote:My personal favourite was the (faux-?)diamond and gold Mercedes-Benz necklace pennant I saw for sale in Sorya. Unsurpassed hilarity.koastal wrote:Personally i dont think i could stomach all the bad tast in jewellery and furniture that would come with a rich khmer family
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I already have two of them I use as nipple rings.drwahwah wrote:I saw those yesterday.. I'm getting PB the Playboy Logo one when I pick up my Skull & Crossbones one later this weekStarving Pelican wrote:My personal favourite was the (faux-?)diamond and gold Mercedes-Benz necklace pennant I saw for sale in Sorya. Unsurpassed hilarity.koastal wrote:Personally i dont think i could stomach all the bad tast in jewellery and furniture that would come with a rich khmer family
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I would like to better understand the socioeconomic situation of the different groups of Khmers who come to America and run the donut shop mafia.
In my research I have found a wide spectrum of Khmers in the industry. I recently visited one of my favorite museums in Los Angeles (the Museum of Western Heritage (the American West)) and discovered in an exhibit on the different groups who settled California in the 19th and 20th centuries. The Asian groups mainly came here as a result of the economic opportunities which arose from the Gold Rush. Then they moved into the farming industry. Over time they were forced into their typical occupations/industries by discrimination. For example, laundry service, restaurants, donut shops, etc. It seems that the different ethnicities focused on one or two specialties and then build an industry of connections around the industries. The ethnically segregated "ghettoes" helped facilitate this (for economic/trade advantage).
I have spent significant time in the past year attempting to talk with Khmers who run the Donut industry here in California, to the point where I have even considered writing an article/book or making a documentary film about it. The major problem is however that it is often difficult to get these people to talk. They are often defensive. Since I am relatively young, extraordinarily handsome, well-hung Italian (white) man with big muscles they seem to automatically categorize me in the "sexual predator" category.
However, this is not always true. I have managed to develop some more positive relations with some of these people - even to the point where I have their contact information which I may use to stay in touch with them in Cambo.
The basic situations I have found are as follows:
Donut Shop #1 (Hollywood Califonia) - the owner is a nice middle aged Khmer man. He travels back and forth frequently between home and not-home (US). In Cambo he works for an Khmer-run NGO which works with AIDS. He has very good donuts and always gives me a free one - even if I try to refuse. He has two young girls who work at the shop. They are both very nice. One girl is 8 months pregrant by an El Salvadorean man. She will never respond to me in Khmer and it often takes a few minutes to warm her up to interact with me. however she is nice. I think she is scared of foreigners. But that is okay. I have never made any sexual innuendos at her. She gives me free donuts 50% of the time. The other young lady is nice. She speaks English well. She is always interested intalking with me about cambo and asks me often when I will return. Ironically, she doesn't give me free donuts - but a decent discount.
Donut Shop # 2 (Hollywood, California) - The Chinese Khmer lady who owns the place is the anti-Christ. She won't even acknowledge that she speaks any English. The lady who works at Donut Shop #1 says this is because she is part Chinese and in general "different" than Shop #1 lady (who is 100% Khmer). The Chinese-Khmer anti-christ has several adolescent Khmers working for her. Two of the girls are Khmer-Khmer. I don't believe they are her kids. They were very nice to me the first few times I went in there. The other girl seems to be the owner's demon spawn. The first time I spoke with her she looked at me suspiciously. After a few more times of going in there any getting her attitude I finally got angry and screamed at her and walked out. I did nothing wrong and attempted to be nice and speak her language. She has made no attempt to allow me to be friendly with her - even though the others were nice to me. For the 1 year since the incident I always give them the finger when I pass by the store. No free donuts at this establishment!
I would be interested to better understand what social processes are at work in these situations and what I can do (if anything) to develop a better rapport (overall) with such people - more equal to the one I have with many of my Khmer aquiantances/friends in Cambo.
In my research I have found a wide spectrum of Khmers in the industry. I recently visited one of my favorite museums in Los Angeles (the Museum of Western Heritage (the American West)) and discovered in an exhibit on the different groups who settled California in the 19th and 20th centuries. The Asian groups mainly came here as a result of the economic opportunities which arose from the Gold Rush. Then they moved into the farming industry. Over time they were forced into their typical occupations/industries by discrimination. For example, laundry service, restaurants, donut shops, etc. It seems that the different ethnicities focused on one or two specialties and then build an industry of connections around the industries. The ethnically segregated "ghettoes" helped facilitate this (for economic/trade advantage).
I have spent significant time in the past year attempting to talk with Khmers who run the Donut industry here in California, to the point where I have even considered writing an article/book or making a documentary film about it. The major problem is however that it is often difficult to get these people to talk. They are often defensive. Since I am relatively young, extraordinarily handsome, well-hung Italian (white) man with big muscles they seem to automatically categorize me in the "sexual predator" category.
However, this is not always true. I have managed to develop some more positive relations with some of these people - even to the point where I have their contact information which I may use to stay in touch with them in Cambo.
The basic situations I have found are as follows:
Donut Shop #1 (Hollywood Califonia) - the owner is a nice middle aged Khmer man. He travels back and forth frequently between home and not-home (US). In Cambo he works for an Khmer-run NGO which works with AIDS. He has very good donuts and always gives me a free one - even if I try to refuse. He has two young girls who work at the shop. They are both very nice. One girl is 8 months pregrant by an El Salvadorean man. She will never respond to me in Khmer and it often takes a few minutes to warm her up to interact with me. however she is nice. I think she is scared of foreigners. But that is okay. I have never made any sexual innuendos at her. She gives me free donuts 50% of the time. The other young lady is nice. She speaks English well. She is always interested intalking with me about cambo and asks me often when I will return. Ironically, she doesn't give me free donuts - but a decent discount.
Donut Shop # 2 (Hollywood, California) - The Chinese Khmer lady who owns the place is the anti-Christ. She won't even acknowledge that she speaks any English. The lady who works at Donut Shop #1 says this is because she is part Chinese and in general "different" than Shop #1 lady (who is 100% Khmer). The Chinese-Khmer anti-christ has several adolescent Khmers working for her. Two of the girls are Khmer-Khmer. I don't believe they are her kids. They were very nice to me the first few times I went in there. The other girl seems to be the owner's demon spawn. The first time I spoke with her she looked at me suspiciously. After a few more times of going in there any getting her attitude I finally got angry and screamed at her and walked out. I did nothing wrong and attempted to be nice and speak her language. She has made no attempt to allow me to be friendly with her - even though the others were nice to me. For the 1 year since the incident I always give them the finger when I pass by the store. No free donuts at this establishment!
I would be interested to better understand what social processes are at work in these situations and what I can do (if anything) to develop a better rapport (overall) with such people - more equal to the one I have with many of my Khmer aquiantances/friends in Cambo.
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interesting cockroach!
remember the donut owners, most, are illiterate. middle age guy is your best bet to be friend with, and u can learn lots donut business from them. middle age women either a complete psycho or angelically good.
teenage girls, usually have very low self-esteem, when speaking cambo to them u make them feel uneasy - they may understand u, half-understand u, or not understad u a all. i credit this to the bad parenting. as u know in america the schools also teach kids not to talk to strangers, just f them! as u see one is pregnant!
remember the donut owners, most, are illiterate. middle age guy is your best bet to be friend with, and u can learn lots donut business from them. middle age women either a complete psycho or angelically good.
teenage girls, usually have very low self-esteem, when speaking cambo to them u make them feel uneasy - they may understand u, half-understand u, or not understad u a all. i credit this to the bad parenting. as u know in america the schools also teach kids not to talk to strangers, just f them! as u see one is pregnant!
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thanks, Donut Baker. Your points are helpful. After all, who best to consult on the donut biz than the master himself?
I will ignore SL as it seems that he is undergoing Cannabis withdrawal. I am sure he will be okay in a few hours. But yes, I do like sex and donuts. Sometimes in combination.
*Then again, there is something Freudian about the standard shapes of donuts, no? And they do make an excellent remedy for those muchies, right SL?
I will ignore SL as it seems that he is undergoing Cannabis withdrawal. I am sure he will be okay in a few hours. But yes, I do like sex and donuts. Sometimes in combination.
*Then again, there is something Freudian about the standard shapes of donuts, no? And they do make an excellent remedy for those muchies, right SL?
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Sadly, I have to report Cockroach that I have smoked so consistently and for so long that I no longer get the munchies. It's quite hopeless.cockroach wrote:
*Then again, there is something Freudian about the standard shapes of donuts, no? And they do make an excellent remedy for those muchies, right SL?
Hi guys
I have read this thread with interest and agree with a lot of what has been raised. I have an interesting relationship with my partner's very well off Khmer family. He is the eldest and we are a gay couple and both well past 40 years of age. Ever since we have been together, nearly 10 years now, his family have been quite amazing in there acceptance. As he is the eldest he is seen as head of the family and in a strange way I am also seen in the same light. It has lead to some very interesting and often amusing encounters. Needless to say the level of acceptance from all of the family has been quite amazing and far more positive than anything I had ever experienced in Oz. Just goes to show how accepting some Khmers can be.
I have read this thread with interest and agree with a lot of what has been raised. I have an interesting relationship with my partner's very well off Khmer family. He is the eldest and we are a gay couple and both well past 40 years of age. Ever since we have been together, nearly 10 years now, his family have been quite amazing in there acceptance. As he is the eldest he is seen as head of the family and in a strange way I am also seen in the same light. It has lead to some very interesting and often amusing encounters. Needless to say the level of acceptance from all of the family has been quite amazing and far more positive than anything I had ever experienced in Oz. Just goes to show how accepting some Khmers can be.
I will pray for you.SL wrote:Sadly, I have to report Cockroach that I have smoked so consistently and for so long that I no longer get the munchies. It's quite hopeless.
ME!Postal wrote: Who gives a F**K about donuts!
And it's not about the donuts. It is about what the donuts represent!
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I've just been invited to a wedding in Phnom Penh, sadly I don't have the time to go. Seems to be a middle class thing, the groom, a local Khmer, is marrying an American Khmer. Red packets from non- family, not- too- close acquaintances are expected to contain 10USD. 300 invited guests so the 'return' sounds ok to me .
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You should go. On the way in the groom will politely wai you, whereas his new bride will give you a high five and say ''Hey Dawg!''I've just been invited to a wedding in Phnom Penh, sadly I don't have the time to go. Seems to be a middle class thing, the groom, a local Khmer, is marrying an American Khmer. Red packets from non- family, not- too- close acquaintances are expected to contain 10USD.
Red packets btw, work out at $10 per head minimum. So if you take your partner that will be two dinners plus drinks at $10 per head. Therefore, $20 in the envelope.
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