I'm looking for people of compatable styles
My style is : Wu Tang style Tai' Chi Chuan .
Our style practices :
the yang-style long form r. and l. side .
And the longer active-step combination form .
The Wu Tang sword form gives the style it's name and is still in it's pre-Maoist form giving it 6 lus rather than 4 .
These I can practice alone , but many of my training methods require a partner .
In the past I've practiced with the Chen ,the tang ,the yang . All Tai' Chi styles . In each case We both benifited from the experience .
Ba Kwa is a great and fun art and practicing with these guys was probably the most fun I had !
There is a group on the top of the stadium with good forms , but I've seen no push-hands after they finish . Many styles have discontinued these traditions .
Anybody game to learn ?
If you already know some Chinese forms than likely you could easliy learn push-hands .
If you already know push-hands you could easily learn active-step push-hands .
If you already know active-step push-hands you could easily learn Ta Lu .
For those with more time and experience I've a 2-man form with 44 movements per side for a total of 88 moves . In contact from beginning to end . Lots of shoulder strokes and the like . Very close in .
And for those who are experienced let me say my art is the best for ME . I don't really believe there is a "best" art . My ego is unattatched . I wish to share because it fills me and I wish to learn because through this I find the Tao .
Besides ,it's fun ! Like chess in real time .
It works like this at it's simplist :
Start with a basic attack slowly . the same one over and over . If any attack gets through on either side both stop and slowly anylize where the mistake was made and repeated until the attack is readily stopped every time .
Later the attacks become more complicated . The stepping active . Multipal combinations added and much more ,but all with the same idea .
To locate and correct imperfections in form . Whatever the form .
Bout time I rap a skin around one and send it to Bob so .
Get in touch if you find this interesting .
Tai' Chi Chu'an in PP Push-hands ?
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It does sound interesting.
The group at Olympic are Wu Shu Kung Fu.
I also did Wu Shu about 5 years ago, but only learnt 2 incomplete forms and since have completely forgotten them, completely out of practice, lost all flexibility etc...
Does your 2 person for first require both people to be adept at single person forms first?
The group at Olympic are Wu Shu Kung Fu.
I also did Wu Shu about 5 years ago, but only learnt 2 incomplete forms and since have completely forgotten them, completely out of practice, lost all flexibility etc...
Does your 2 person for first require both people to be adept at single person forms first?
kungfu power is strong but I think pushing is not enough. Qigong and falungong is powerful to sit but when Chinese police men grab them, they cannot push policeman back so they get punched too much. Korean taekwondo is powerful kick and punch so I think number one. Also teaching defense so maybe the falungong people can fall down and while arms and legs twisted they do not have to have injury. Maybe if Tibet people know taekwondo, they do not sustain invasion because more power.
Best thinking is taekwondo can train without partner. We kick and punch bamboo tree as to stimulate real partner. Pushing is probably good exercise too.
Best thinking is taekwondo can train without partner. We kick and punch bamboo tree as to stimulate real partner. Pushing is probably good exercise too.
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Doctor you probably joke about making fire with qigong but I think you know qigong is not too powerful in that way. It can give you energy but to fight your opponent, it's better to kick his face using taekwondo. You can make fire but enemies will not usually will not be injured by making house fire. Pushing most enemies will probably only make him very angry also.
The Bak Kwa clan proved you don't . It's the Bak Kwa stepping that's necessary and forms are only one method to learn them . They are represented by the eight trigrams that surround the Yin/Yang over a great many doors in Asia . Each represents a attack in a particular direction . One is Shoulder stroke , another chop , another wardoff and so on through the eight .Does your 2 person for first require both people to be adept at single person forms first?
As for Wu Shu . I've practiced with many Wu Shu people . Our forms are remarkably similar and I've found no contraidiction with my style in footing . With such background push-hands is possible .
Fact is in Thailand , everybody calls my style Wu Shu when they see it . Even Wu Shu students . While I myself thought the stadium group was Tai' Chi Chu'an . Honestly , at this point my style has been so influenced by the myriad Chinese styles of the Bay area that probably only my forms could be called Wu Tang style . The push-hands and other techniques are as much Wu Shu ,(chinese for Kung Fu) as anything .
It's true they rip .I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about but I DO like The Wu Tan Clan.
I agree completely ! It should be only one part of the training program . And the program should fit the body-type as well as the mentality of the individual . For the old , the frail , the small-bodied mastery of the use of power will have far less effect than to one who is very strong . One day that'll be me when I'm old . The methods needed to defeat an opponent much larger need to be absolutely precise . You need to learn methods of using the opponents power and weight against him . This takes many years .kungfu power is strong but I think pushing is not enough.
All in all , Tai Kwon Doe excells at what it's designed for . Training excellent fighters in a reasonably short time ! While they're still young enough for armed services or the police or somesuch . My style would in fact be a bad choice for these .
And for me I need to follow the Tao Te Ching's advice , "Decaying things are hard and brittle like dry leaves . To ally oneself with hardness is to ally oneself with death . " Grandmaster Ni was 87 last I saw and still doing even the Wu Tang form . Philosophy , and the need for something That can serve for my protection and longevity and many other reasons make Tai Kwon Doe a bad choice for me .
Those looking ONLY for martial prowess should look elsewhere .
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You're Korean aren't you?It can give you energy but to fight your opponent, it's better to kick his face using taekwondo.
Taekwondo is cool but if you had a good short distance fighter, like a Thai or Khmer boxer I think he could get in too close and make a kick to the face very difficult. Grapplers have got it, just grab some one and they can't do a thing.
Still, I'll stick to Mexican Judo. Very effectivo
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Wemay be talking about different groups. The group you are talking about is rather large, I believe.Barkester wrote: While I myself thought the stadium group was Tai' Chi Chu'an . .
The Wu Shu guys only have about 5 students, and they train quite early (about 5.30am) everyday at the top of the stadium. They train with their master once per week at Olmypic and once per week elsewhere in the PM. There are two guys who wear green t-shirts with "Wu Shu" written on the back..those 2 are really good - one has got some awesome forms, flexibility and power and only been training for 3 years, but impressive.
There is another Wu Shu school who is meant to have a teacher that aint as good..they train down the bottom of the stadium, near the basketball courts.
Bar room/night club brawl = 1. Good ol' fashioned, in your face beat em' style American wrestling. Close quarters, many people around. Put the guy down to the ground throw a key lock or pound.
Fighting while waiting in line for the bar/night club = 1. Judo. More room to throw and all it takes is one good one and an armbar to finish.
Fighting across the street from the bar/night club = 1. muay thai/khmer boxing with emphasis on knees and a bit of grabbig. More open space to square up a decent position.
Fighting one a even surface, concrete surface 1 on 1. = 1. taekwondo but will need to know some basic takedown defense.
Fighting on a grassy uneven surface. = perhaps tai chi comes to play here where inner strength, balance and mindfulness of self and surroundings gives great advantage.
Fighting while waiting in line for the bar/night club = 1. Judo. More room to throw and all it takes is one good one and an armbar to finish.
Fighting across the street from the bar/night club = 1. muay thai/khmer boxing with emphasis on knees and a bit of grabbig. More open space to square up a decent position.
Fighting one a even surface, concrete surface 1 on 1. = 1. taekwondo but will need to know some basic takedown defense.
Fighting on a grassy uneven surface. = perhaps tai chi comes to play here where inner strength, balance and mindfulness of self and surroundings gives great advantage.
Also, I've studied what many people call Guang Ping tai-chi for 10+ years as taught by Kuo Lien Ying. When I lived in SF I studied with his wife (she just calls it tai-chi). She also taught me the ten lines of Shaolin spring legs routine which is a very serious workout, but not much for practical fighting. In all discussion of internal vs. external martial arts I think it's a question of short term and long term. Real internal power is a fifteen to twenty year road. I will add that from what I've read and a quite a few people I've spoken to, Bagua gets the best reviews as both a chi cultivation and practical fighting method. I've looked high and low for a top notch bagua teacher in NYC but have yet to find anyone.
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