Saw that.. not an Islamic country, though coincidentally the suicide bomber vest was born there; the 'brainchild' of the Tamil Tigers.prahocalypse now wrote:..Sri Lanka isn't an Islamic country. Although it has had it's fair share of suicide bombers.
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Article on Israeli public opinion re Gaza conflict..
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Conducting public opinions surveys in times of military conflict is a problematic task, mainly because of the difficulty of producing representative samples, the interruption of interviews by alarms, interviewees’ impatience, and the fear of expressing unpopular opinions because of higher-than-normal public sensitivity to questions on issues concerning the conflict. Nevertheless, we tried in three sequential surveys (on July 14, 16-17, and 23) to gauge, even if only in a general way, the public mood during Operation Protective Edge. Despite the methodological difficulties, the data point in some general directions that we will discuss—with the appropriate caution—below....
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Conducting public opinions surveys in times of military conflict is a problematic task, mainly because of the difficulty of producing representative samples, the interruption of interviews by alarms, interviewees’ impatience, and the fear of expressing unpopular opinions because of higher-than-normal public sensitivity to questions on issues concerning the conflict. Nevertheless, we tried in three sequential surveys (on July 14, 16-17, and 23) to gauge, even if only in a general way, the public mood during Operation Protective Edge. Despite the methodological difficulties, the data point in some general directions that we will discuss—with the appropriate caution—below....
That's depressing.kinard wrote:Article on Israeli public opinion re Gaza conflict..
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Conducting public opinions surveys in times of military conflict is a problematic task, mainly because of the difficulty of producing representative samples, the interruption of interviews by alarms, interviewees’ impatience, and the fear of expressing unpopular opinions because of higher-than-normal public sensitivity to questions on issues concerning the conflict. Nevertheless, we tried in three sequential surveys (on July 14, 16-17, and 23) to gauge, even if only in a general way, the public mood during Operation Protective Edge. Despite the methodological difficulties, the data point in some general directions that we will discuss—with the appropriate caution—below....
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It's a no brainer to me.....
Isreal = the only liberal democracy in the region.
Hamas = Jihadis
A Palestine run by Hamas will be exactly the same as what we're no seeing in Syria and Iraq in areas controlled by ISIS.
This Breibart UK article by a gay writer sums things up nicely....
Isreal = the only liberal democracy in the region.
Hamas = Jihadis
A Palestine run by Hamas will be exactly the same as what we're no seeing in Syria and Iraq in areas controlled by ISIS.
This Breibart UK article by a gay writer sums things up nicely....
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... -PalestineRegardless of your views on gay marriage, gay adoption and so on, I think we can all agree that Israel’s tolerant, liberal society is a much nicer place to live than the barbaric, oppressive, misogynistic and homophobic cultures that seem to spring up wherever radical Islam takes root, and particularly under Hamas in Gaza. After all, for over ten years, gay Palestinians have been fleeing their own country and settling in Tel Aviv, one of the most gay-friendly cities on the planet.
In fact, friendly is an understatement. Israel is positively enthusiastic, as the only liberal democracy in the region, of underscoring its Western credentials and celebrating people of all backgrounds and preferences —provided they’re not insane militants who want to see the Jews scrubbed from the face of the earth, obviously.
So you might imagine that gay Westerners, with an uncensored press and ready access to information about the torture and execution of homosexuals under administrations like Hamas’s, would be reluctant to support barbaric medieval homophobia. Surely they would feel a natural affinity to the permissive democracy in this conflict — not to mention how deliciously dreamy Israeli men are?
Alas, not so. Witness the "Queers for Palestine" movement — a small group of homosexuals who have decided to support "Palestine" despite apparently knowing nothing about the history of this conflict, and despite the latter’s appalling human rights record and systematic persecution of homosexuals. Queer indeed.
This is one of those times you catch sight of something or someone on the internet so mind-blowingly dumb, you need to do a few minutes’ research to make sure it’s not a wind-up.
So this week’s prize for stupidity goes to the daft queens marching down their local High Street in support of a regime that wants them dead. Of course, some of the responsibility for this must lie with the BBC, Channel 4 and CNN — all of which downplay the ugliness of Islamist Palestinian society and ham up the suffering of its citizens to make Israel look like the bad guy.
There’s even a conspiracy theory that Israel’s support for gay rights exists only to make the countries around it look bad. It’s called "pinkwashing," and it’s an odd lie put about by brainless boobies who, despite the fact that if they ever actually went to the Middle East with their rainbow flags and terrible music they’d be lynched, support terrorists in Gaza no matter what against the evil Jewish state. Bitch, please.
To be fair, the gays aren’t the only ones taken in. "Radical feminists" have also been spotted in London and elsewhere "showing solidarity" with their oppressed fellow human rights enthusiasts in Gaza. It’s almost too obvious a joke to make, but have these angry, spiky-haired four-foot Caledonian lesbians railing against Israel actually considered what their lives would be like if they’d been born in an Islamic country?
Makes you laugh, doesn’t it? I’m happy to stump up for a plane ticket, incidentally, if one of these marchers wants to see for themselves how grateful the Islamist lunatics in Gaza are for the support of a load of preening, smug nancy-boys and their radfem mates. I wonder if any of them would actually be be brave enough to visit the culture they are so insistent on defending. Seriously, ladies. See if you can last twenty-four hours.
So why is this happening? I don’t think it’s anti-Semitism. It’s just stupidity. Like most fashionable but ill-conceived Left-wing causes, the Free Palestine movement feels good and looks good and gets you applause from the right people. But it doesn’t stand up to intellectual or historical scrutiny—especially if you’re a marginalised group, likely to be persecuted under an Islamist regime.
The conflict in Gaza has a complex historical etiology and takes time to educate yourself about, and to fully understand. You may well, after all that, conclude that your sympathies lie with the people of Gaza, who are not well represented by Hamas and who are suffering because Hamas insists on dirty tactics and have, over the course of months, provoked the much stronger and more technologically sophisticated Israel into brutal retaliation. Not quite my view, but you’d be entitled to hold it.
But you don’t need to do much reading to conclude that, as a single-issue campaigner, whether gay, lesbian, feminist or transgender, there is only one side in this ugly war to support, if you care about the rights of gay people in the Middle East. Because, last time I checked, the vibrant, sassy, tolerant, sexy, liberal and welcoming place to be was Israel.
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It is better to not lose sight of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, but looking at the bigger picture it is easy to see how vulnerable Israel would be without the $3bn, mostly military, aid package from the US each year.
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Well on the other hand, the last thing the US want is for Israel to sell their advanced weapons technology to for example China.
http://www.meforum.org/926/at-what-cost ... china-ties
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KiR, aren't you coming dangerously close to asserting that it's acceptable to slaughter hundreds of children because their fathers are objectionable? The Israelis are boasting about their precision weapons while 75% of deaths are civilian, a large proportion children. Or are you hiding behind the human shield and 'honest mistake, guv' excuses?
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Not saying kids are not dying, but Hamas is recycling pictures of dead Syrian children killed by ISIS. Many of the Facebook anti Israeli pictures are pictures from the Syrian conflict.andyinasia wrote:KiR, aren't you coming dangerously close to asserting that it's acceptable to slaughter hundreds of children because their fathers are objectionable? The Israelis are boasting about their precision weapons while 75% of deaths are civilian, a large proportion children. Or are you hiding behind the human shield and 'honest mistake, guv' excuses?
Israel's bombs would be more precise if Hamas wasn't hiding in schools and mosques.
As I said before, I have no love of Israel, but Hamas can piss up a rope. I don't buy their bullshit.
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
there isn't any need to recycle pics of dead Syrian children - there's plenty of source material from mobile phones in Gaza for that. The pics I've seen are from locals and quote names and locations. Given the death count and destruction, there's no need to produce fake pics. On the other hard, it's convenient for Israel to imply pics are fake.
As far as gay rights go - that's no justification for completely indiscriminate killing. I've visited much of Israel in the last few years on several trips, and spent over a week with Palestinians in the West Bank. Palestinians are real people like the rest of us. Governments like Hamas exist because people are angry with how they are treated. The US needs to stop sending billions to Israel and instead setup a secular government to control both Israel and what remains of Palestine. Personally I see a single state with a secular govt as the best solution. But it's a long way off.
As far as gay rights go - that's no justification for completely indiscriminate killing. I've visited much of Israel in the last few years on several trips, and spent over a week with Palestinians in the West Bank. Palestinians are real people like the rest of us. Governments like Hamas exist because people are angry with how they are treated. The US needs to stop sending billions to Israel and instead setup a secular government to control both Israel and what remains of Palestine. Personally I see a single state with a secular govt as the best solution. But it's a long way off.
You are correct there was no need but pictures were indeed faked, it wasn't Israel which documented the fakery.Peaktu wrote:there isn't any need to recycle pics of dead Syrian children - there's plenty of source material from mobile phones in Gaza for that. The pics I've seen are from locals and quote names and locations. Given the death count and destruction, there's no need to produce fake pics. On the other hard, it's convenient for Israel to imply pics are fake.
As far as gay rights go - that's no justification for completely indiscriminate killing. I've visited much of Israel in the last few years on several trips, and spent over a week with Palestinians in the West Bank. Palestinians are real people like the rest of us. Governments like Hamas exist because people are angry with how they are treated. The US needs to stop sending billions to Israel and instead setup a secular government to control both Israel and what remains of Palestine. Personally I see a single state with a secular govt as the best solution. But it's a long way off.
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What pictures? I have not seen pictures of dead children in Gaza, but then I don't need to; knowing full well that shelling and bombing a 550sq km area containing nearly 2 million people, of which the average age is 17 years, will obviously result in many child deaths. Who needs proof?jm wrote:You are correct there was no need but pictures were indeed faked, it wasn't Israel which documented the fakery.
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Not disputing the horror of children being killed in Gaza, you suggested that Felgerkarb was incorrect about photos from Syria being used, he was correct, that's all.kinard wrote:What pictures? I have not seen pictures of dead children in Gaza, but then I don't need to; knowing full well that shelling and bombing a 550sq km area containing nearly 2 million people, of which the average age is 17 years, will obviously result in many child deaths. Who needs proof?jm wrote:You are correct there was no need but pictures were indeed faked, it wasn't Israel which documented the fakery.
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No great fan of the IDF leaders either but everyone knows what happens if you have a pop at Israel, so Hamas are a total bunch of cunts for bringing it onto the residents of Gaza.
That region is incredibly complicated, with factions within factions. A total maze of hatred and division.
Couple of things I don't understand:
1. Did the IDF deliberately target the al Jazeera offices in Gaza? Al Jazeera is generally the most impartial of all news operations.
2. Why are Hezbollah in the north keeping so quiet - apart from the fact that they hate Hamas, or is that all there is to it?
Anyway, poor old citizens in the middle, but it has wiped Syria off our screens. God knows what's going on there while the media gaze has shifted.
That region is incredibly complicated, with factions within factions. A total maze of hatred and division.
Couple of things I don't understand:
1. Did the IDF deliberately target the al Jazeera offices in Gaza? Al Jazeera is generally the most impartial of all news operations.
2. Why are Hezbollah in the north keeping so quiet - apart from the fact that they hate Hamas, or is that all there is to it?
Anyway, poor old citizens in the middle, but it has wiped Syria off our screens. God knows what's going on there while the media gaze has shifted.