Trump is next US president
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An HRC presidency.....gods....
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Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
Why are the gods such vicious cunts?
Where is the god of tits and wine?
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I can't wait till you have fun with the vice president.
And don't blame it on the black man ... again.
That will be fun.
FUN!
And don't blame it on the black man ... again.
That will be fun.
FUN!
I love bitches n gonna fuck Texas and the USA+ right up their god damn ass! Hallelujah!
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Trump vs Hillary, fuck off, America.
Anyone who doesn't like Capitalism is a pathetic loser. God bless the USA and no place else.
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Electable or not, at least in the UK the traditional working people's party have gone back to their roots. In the US, historically it was the Democrats who represented the working people. However, this modern 'establishment' generation of Demo technocrats exemplified by HRC have been at the forefront of very anti-working people policies, in particular the great "free trade" myth. Whilst the liberal media are focusing on Trump's undeniable racism and bigotry, they are not paying much attention to his views on trade; in contrast, millions of blue-collar workers are.alanclarke72 wrote: The GOP should be utterly ashamed of itself that it couldn't find a candidate capable of taking on a figure who will set the Republicans back another 5-10 years. It's similar to the UK where the Labour party decided to let the people choose it's leader and ended up with a protest figure who is completely and utterly unelectable.
"Free Trade" is 'free' for the rich - the international rich. It is far from free for the poor - be they in a developing nation or in the US. I'd say Trump is being quasi-Marxist when he slays the TPP and the other trade agreements inked by the male Clinton. He's asserting the "You've got nothing to lose but your chains" part of the equation to huge acclaim although it's Sanders who sees the full picture/quotation and would put the poor down-pressed immigrants on the same side of the wall.
I came, I argued, I'm out
Andy, I don't think you would know traditional working class thinking if you tripped over it.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with peace marches in fair isle sweater, or Islington coffee mornings discussing disarmament, or lifelong jobs in academia and the public sector, and all that bollocks that Corbyn represents.
Frankly, if Trump were standing in the UK, HE would be getting the traditional working class vote in precisely the way that Farage's perceived bigotism and actual isolationism has stolen votes from Labour rather than the Tories.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with peace marches in fair isle sweater, or Islington coffee mornings discussing disarmament, or lifelong jobs in academia and the public sector, and all that bollocks that Corbyn represents.
Frankly, if Trump were standing in the UK, HE would be getting the traditional working class vote in precisely the way that Farage's perceived bigotism and actual isolationism has stolen votes from Labour rather than the Tories.
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That's shit hot Scobienz, but your comparison is without merit and off base.scobienz wrote:Andy, I don't think you would know traditional working class thinking if you tripped over it.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with peace marches in fair isle sweater, or Islington coffee mornings discussing disarmament, or lifelong jobs in academia and the public sector, and all that bollocks that Corbyn represents.
Frankly, if Trump were standing in the UK, HE would be getting the traditional working class vote in precisely the way that Farage's perceived bigotism and actual isolationism has stolen votes from Labour rather than the Tories.
Fuck the Tories.
I love bitches n gonna fuck Texas and the USA+ right up their god damn ass! Hallelujah!
Clinton 4/9alanclarke72 wrote:Tonight's results pretty much cement a Clinton v Trump race which, in turn, will send Hilary to the White House. Sorry, Felgerkarb. Time to face up to that.
The GOP should be utterly ashamed of itself that it couldn't find a candidate capable of taking on a figure who will set the Republicans back another 5-10 years. It's similar to the UK where the Labour party decided to let the people choose it's leader and ended up with a protest figure who is completely and utterly unelectable.
Trump 11/4
That is far from over.
Trump is going to paste the democrats all over the shop now, just like he has done his republican competition.
Get used to it.
"It's always the old to lead us to the war, always the young to fall"
Exit polls last night, voters under 50 for Sanders:
llinois: 64.7%
Missouri: 64.0%
Ohio, 62.3%
N.Carolina, 55.5%
Even with poor showings in the deep South, Sanders has won 54% of the under 50 vote in primaries held thus far (excluding caucuses where votes could not be determined).. Given the front loading of southern states favorable to Clinton by June this number will likely increase to 60% or more. Thus the Democratic Party, which has done little or nothing to make voting easier for students and working people, will nominate a foreign policy hawk strongly opposed by a huge portion of the Democratic electorate. Had electoral reform preceded this election Clinton would not be the nominee. For small d democrats such electoral reform has to be a priority going forward, selecting a candidate supported only by voters over 55-60 is tragic for the party and democracy.
Exit polls last night, voters under 50 for Sanders:
llinois: 64.7%
Missouri: 64.0%
Ohio, 62.3%
N.Carolina, 55.5%
Even with poor showings in the deep South, Sanders has won 54% of the under 50 vote in primaries held thus far (excluding caucuses where votes could not be determined).. Given the front loading of southern states favorable to Clinton by June this number will likely increase to 60% or more. Thus the Democratic Party, which has done little or nothing to make voting easier for students and working people, will nominate a foreign policy hawk strongly opposed by a huge portion of the Democratic electorate. Had electoral reform preceded this election Clinton would not be the nominee. For small d democrats such electoral reform has to be a priority going forward, selecting a candidate supported only by voters over 55-60 is tragic for the party and democracy.
Don't blame me I voted for Sanders
Not to worry, a US President can't be isolationist when the nation is seemingly attacked. Therefore the CIA, and/or the US military establishment in bed with the mega US industrial-military complex and their Congressional cronies will be sure some sort of attack on US interests happens (or is found "to be imminent") when it suits their plans. From the Spanish-Amercian War to the Gulf of Tonkin incident to Saddam's WMD, the puppetmasters will find a reason to get the war they want when they want it. Possibly a forced incident in the Straight of Hormuz against a US Naval vessel or some such. Look out Iran!andyinasia wrote: This is how it looks to me:
He is ultra-isolationist, at the opposite extreme to the Republican neocons who piled into Iraq in '03. ...
It actually sounds more like American foreign policy in 1939. It took an assault by an East Asian adversary to knock the US out of this state back then; is that what it will take this time? And in this infinitely increased networked and globalised world, how will the US fare economically if it abrogates its current diplomatic and military roles?
Over to you ...
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I wonder how many underemployed blue collar workers wake up in the morning and say to themselves:
"I'm worried about my future and my prospects seem to get dimmer by the day, but do you want to know what I think would really make things better for me and my family? Why don't we bring in 10 or 20 million more workers from across the border, who are willing to do my job for even less than the ridiculously low pay that I already have fight and scratch for? Somehow, I think that's going to magically make finding a decent paying job a whole lot easier."
Workers are worried about downward pressure on their wages and lost opportunities. For decades, they've been told that the new arrivals are only doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. How must that feel to them, trying, and failing, to scratch up enough work to keep their heads above water and then being told that "nobody wanted those jobs anyways, so we gave them to some undocumented workers."
I dropped out of college and entered the trades back in the mid-1980s. Then Reagan signed his Amnesty Act of 1986 into law and suddenly millions of Mexicans came streaming across the border trying to get in on it. This really happened and I was immediately displaced by the human tide of workers. In the year that followed, I saw non-union wages drop by at least 30%. I was union, so the wages held, but my union started selling journeyman cards to anyone with a pulse and the "out-of-work list" and the cue for job dispatches grew exponentially.
So I went back to college in my early 30s and got a BSc. in IT. Everyone said "you need adapt or die" and so I did adapt. Tech was very good to me, until 2008, when I had to train my replacement, who was an H1B visa holder from India. He arrived along with dozens of H1B replacements and we were told that we could either train them over several weeks and then receive 3 months pay as a severance package, or we could quit right then and there and give up the package and to not bother applying for unemployment, as that would be denied as a voluntary quit. It always galls me to hear some politician explain that we need to expand the cap on H1B visas because of the shortage of qualified tech workers. That's bullshit. Half of the tech workers I've known over the years has been displaced at least once by H1Bs. What "shortage"?
I don't blame the newcomers. I read Grapes of Wrath and I don't view the migrants any differently than I view the Joad family in Steinbeck's book. You can't blame them for coming. Just like the Joad's "Dust Bowl", NAFTA has provided the final push and has created many of these economic refugees from Latin America. The business of American business is to maximize shareholder value. Wall Street wants to lower expenses and it's incumbent upon them to act upon the wishes of the shareholders. Labor has always been the first place to look when trying to cut costs. Blue collar America has been experiencing this for decades and they're foolishly blaming the Mexicans for their predicament while the shareholder laugh all the way to the bank. Now it's time for White-collar America to take its lumps. We have millions of white-collar H1B visa workers competing for tech jobs and applying downward pressure on wages. It's not just tech these days. Accountants, teachers, pharmacists, paralegals, analysts and every other kind of knowledge work is being affected.
Now Trump has hired some focus groups, identified the hot-button topics, is paying lip-service and people are responding without a second thought. Most Trump supporters are not racists, they are rightfully afraid for their futures and are wrongfully placing the blame on immigrants. Trump is exploiting their fear, just as Rainsy has been exploiting the poor Cambodian hoi polloi.
The American middle class is being thrown under the bus and now even white-collar workers are no longer protected from the globalists. We can't all become investors, so we'll have to learn learn to be poor with dignity, which would involve an entirely new paradigm, or we can fight back and stave off foreign competition and the normalization of wages across the globe. The latter is impossible to sustain for more than a few months, so we'll have to reinvent housing, transportation, the delivery and distribution of medical care and our food. No one has anything to offer in these areas that will, at the same time, preserve the assets of the investor class. None of these things will happen if it's at the expense of investor class, since it's their world and we just live in it. Things will have to get pretty bad before we see any real changes.
We shall overcomb
"I'm worried about my future and my prospects seem to get dimmer by the day, but do you want to know what I think would really make things better for me and my family? Why don't we bring in 10 or 20 million more workers from across the border, who are willing to do my job for even less than the ridiculously low pay that I already have fight and scratch for? Somehow, I think that's going to magically make finding a decent paying job a whole lot easier."
Workers are worried about downward pressure on their wages and lost opportunities. For decades, they've been told that the new arrivals are only doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. How must that feel to them, trying, and failing, to scratch up enough work to keep their heads above water and then being told that "nobody wanted those jobs anyways, so we gave them to some undocumented workers."
I dropped out of college and entered the trades back in the mid-1980s. Then Reagan signed his Amnesty Act of 1986 into law and suddenly millions of Mexicans came streaming across the border trying to get in on it. This really happened and I was immediately displaced by the human tide of workers. In the year that followed, I saw non-union wages drop by at least 30%. I was union, so the wages held, but my union started selling journeyman cards to anyone with a pulse and the "out-of-work list" and the cue for job dispatches grew exponentially.
So I went back to college in my early 30s and got a BSc. in IT. Everyone said "you need adapt or die" and so I did adapt. Tech was very good to me, until 2008, when I had to train my replacement, who was an H1B visa holder from India. He arrived along with dozens of H1B replacements and we were told that we could either train them over several weeks and then receive 3 months pay as a severance package, or we could quit right then and there and give up the package and to not bother applying for unemployment, as that would be denied as a voluntary quit. It always galls me to hear some politician explain that we need to expand the cap on H1B visas because of the shortage of qualified tech workers. That's bullshit. Half of the tech workers I've known over the years has been displaced at least once by H1Bs. What "shortage"?
I don't blame the newcomers. I read Grapes of Wrath and I don't view the migrants any differently than I view the Joad family in Steinbeck's book. You can't blame them for coming. Just like the Joad's "Dust Bowl", NAFTA has provided the final push and has created many of these economic refugees from Latin America. The business of American business is to maximize shareholder value. Wall Street wants to lower expenses and it's incumbent upon them to act upon the wishes of the shareholders. Labor has always been the first place to look when trying to cut costs. Blue collar America has been experiencing this for decades and they're foolishly blaming the Mexicans for their predicament while the shareholder laugh all the way to the bank. Now it's time for White-collar America to take its lumps. We have millions of white-collar H1B visa workers competing for tech jobs and applying downward pressure on wages. It's not just tech these days. Accountants, teachers, pharmacists, paralegals, analysts and every other kind of knowledge work is being affected.
Now Trump has hired some focus groups, identified the hot-button topics, is paying lip-service and people are responding without a second thought. Most Trump supporters are not racists, they are rightfully afraid for their futures and are wrongfully placing the blame on immigrants. Trump is exploiting their fear, just as Rainsy has been exploiting the poor Cambodian hoi polloi.
The American middle class is being thrown under the bus and now even white-collar workers are no longer protected from the globalists. We can't all become investors, so we'll have to learn learn to be poor with dignity, which would involve an entirely new paradigm, or we can fight back and stave off foreign competition and the normalization of wages across the globe. The latter is impossible to sustain for more than a few months, so we'll have to reinvent housing, transportation, the delivery and distribution of medical care and our food. No one has anything to offer in these areas that will, at the same time, preserve the assets of the investor class. None of these things will happen if it's at the expense of investor class, since it's their world and we just live in it. Things will have to get pretty bad before we see any real changes.
We shall overcomb
That's like, your opinion, man.
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I probably sound like a scratched record, but since the financial crisis large businesses have been cutting costs more than ever as real GDP growth has been very low (much lower without stimulus). This has no doubt fueled the desire for cheap labor - think Mexicans. Think of all those immigrant workers in the U.S looking at the wonderfully strong USD. Fcuk, i bet they were sending sack loads of the stuff home and working all the overtime they could get.
This combined with ultra low interest rates lowering interest rates on everyday peoples savings accounts, and you possibly get more and more anti immigrant sentiment building up everyday. There's been two big winners in the western world since the financial crisis - luxury goods stores and discount stores. Corporate profits have grown, whilst wages stalled. That shows you that inequality has grown.
Feeding the Nationalism is probably one of the best tools a politician can use. The rise of a madman like Hitler was no doubt made easier by the fact that families were starving due to the harsh Versailles treaty imposed on them.
Obviously Trump is no Hitler, but Americans are lapping up the anti foreigner sentiment whilst in England, Conservative voters shudder at how is it possible an extreme lefty like Jeremy Bernard Corbyn can get in as leader of the Labour Party. Also an extreme right nationalistic party in France is more popular than ever - It's no coincidence imo. It's all connected.
Then you throw in the increasing ISIS terrorist incidents, with 9/11 still fresh in peoples minds....the pissing contest for oil in the Middle East, and somewhat Saudi controlled global cable TV news networks (CNN & FOX)....
These views will possibly cause some to mentally move me up in the ''K440 Loony List'' rankings just behind BSCW, but ask yourself this : England, France and the U.S have gone more and more extreme left or right over the same period. Why?
Right or wrong they view Trump as more a man of the people, rather than the usual robot yes men with fake smiles serving the establishment.
(PS, my old man reckons that those eastern europeans work like Japanese prisoners of war)
This combined with ultra low interest rates lowering interest rates on everyday peoples savings accounts, and you possibly get more and more anti immigrant sentiment building up everyday. There's been two big winners in the western world since the financial crisis - luxury goods stores and discount stores. Corporate profits have grown, whilst wages stalled. That shows you that inequality has grown.
Feeding the Nationalism is probably one of the best tools a politician can use. The rise of a madman like Hitler was no doubt made easier by the fact that families were starving due to the harsh Versailles treaty imposed on them.
Obviously Trump is no Hitler, but Americans are lapping up the anti foreigner sentiment whilst in England, Conservative voters shudder at how is it possible an extreme lefty like Jeremy Bernard Corbyn can get in as leader of the Labour Party. Also an extreme right nationalistic party in France is more popular than ever - It's no coincidence imo. It's all connected.
Then you throw in the increasing ISIS terrorist incidents, with 9/11 still fresh in peoples minds....the pissing contest for oil in the Middle East, and somewhat Saudi controlled global cable TV news networks (CNN & FOX)....
These views will possibly cause some to mentally move me up in the ''K440 Loony List'' rankings just behind BSCW, but ask yourself this : England, France and the U.S have gone more and more extreme left or right over the same period. Why?
Right or wrong they view Trump as more a man of the people, rather than the usual robot yes men with fake smiles serving the establishment.
(PS, my old man reckons that those eastern europeans work like Japanese prisoners of war)
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This is why Trump needs to be president, I agree 100%.
Compulsory viewing for Trump haters:
https://youtu.be/Fely6gd2Q-k
Background:
The Ruben Report and Ruben himself are very much liberals and big advocates of free speech. Milo who is a right leaning British reporter/commentator (but prefers to label himself as a cultural libertarian) that basically gets a media pass to say whatever he wants because he's gay and from a Jewish family.
Compulsory viewing for Trump haters:
https://youtu.be/Fely6gd2Q-k
Background:
The Ruben Report and Ruben himself are very much liberals and big advocates of free speech. Milo who is a right leaning British reporter/commentator (but prefers to label himself as a cultural libertarian) that basically gets a media pass to say whatever he wants because he's gay and from a Jewish family.
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