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Immigration, refugees, yes. JC makes solid points.
Where I don't agree with him is that immigration has to be balanced and not a free for all. I dont feel any duty nor sense of responsibility towards citizens of regimes that make their countries shitty places to live.
Things would work out eventually if females immigrants made up 50%+ of the figures, instead of the current 10% or so. That unbalance generates unmanageable tensions and leads to discrimination, not integration. The fact that those men belong to a faith where women are anything but equal to men, makes it intenable and just wrong.
Canada has got things right, taking in Christian refugees. Do they also have male/female ratios?
Where I don't agree with him is that immigration has to be balanced and not a free for all. I dont feel any duty nor sense of responsibility towards citizens of regimes that make their countries shitty places to live.
Things would work out eventually if females immigrants made up 50%+ of the figures, instead of the current 10% or so. That unbalance generates unmanageable tensions and leads to discrimination, not integration. The fact that those men belong to a faith where women are anything but equal to men, makes it intenable and just wrong.
Canada has got things right, taking in Christian refugees. Do they also have male/female ratios?
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I did not say that I support wholesale immigration. And I don't. I think you have to screen and have criteria. But you have to do a huge amount of work to integrate refugees/immigrants, and, frankly, I think Europe does a shitty job at it compared to North America. Now you have a flood of refugees to deal with. It's not easy at all. But you DO have to deal with it.
Canada is a nation of immigrants and highly tolerant and welcoming of them in general. Syrian refugees were viewed positively and the first batch was welcomed personally by the PMILF. Lots of people donated funds to help them settle in. We don't have the same kinds of banlieu problems for the most part like Europe does. They DID have one very sensible criteria though, and it was not that they only accept Christians (they don't have any preference for Christians as far as I know). It is that they don't accept single males. That seems a sensible policy to me.
Canada is a nation of immigrants and highly tolerant and welcoming of them in general. Syrian refugees were viewed positively and the first batch was welcomed personally by the PMILF. Lots of people donated funds to help them settle in. We don't have the same kinds of banlieu problems for the most part like Europe does. They DID have one very sensible criteria though, and it was not that they only accept Christians (they don't have any preference for Christians as far as I know). It is that they don't accept single males. That seems a sensible policy to me.
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No country is a country of immigrants, it's a country of CITIZENS.
Immigrants are selected based upon how they should benefit the citizenry and the host nation as a whole. As long as we accept the concept of borders at all, movement of people is subject to the will of the host nation, not some vague human right to emigrate anywhere based upon whim. There simply isn't enough to go around in some nations anymore.
Immigrants are selected based upon how they should benefit the citizenry and the host nation as a whole. As long as we accept the concept of borders at all, movement of people is subject to the will of the host nation, not some vague human right to emigrate anywhere based upon whim. There simply isn't enough to go around in some nations anymore.
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Nice opinion, but, yes there is.Felgerkarb wrote:No country is a country of immigrants, it's a country of CITIZENS.
Immigrants are selected based upon how they should benefit the citizenry and the host nation as a whole. As long as we accept the concept of borders at all, movement of people is subject to the will of the host nation, not some vague human right to emigrate anywhere based upon whim. There simply isn't enough to go around in some nations anymore.
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A fascinating merging of threads, which reveals the diversity of views on the forum. I think Stanislaw is a berk, but there is also some hypocrisy on display. A small number of posters decry 'racism' whilst advocating and promoting (hinted at here, but blatantly expressed in other threads) support for one of the most oppressive nation states in history. That apart, those who choose to emigrate do not easily fall into any one classifiable group - one might very easily count Coptic Christians among large numbers of Muslim refugees.
A couple of years ago, the school I (at that time) worked for invited one of the last surviving inmates of S-21 to come and give a talk of his personal account of what had happened. (I did post up a summary of what he had said, but it was swiftly scrubbed by the former owner of this site when he banned me.) I do remember, however, that the talk made clear that it (the forced evacuation) was targeted at anyone still residing in the capital - regardless of race, education, filial status, age, gender, origin, religious affiliation or whatever.
The problem of accepting immigrants is, therefore, one that involves all of us in trying to make people's lives better - by which I mean with equal opportunities for all, regardless of whatever criteria folk may like to impose.
The only cover-ups likely are those which clearly show widespread abuse of Human Rights - such as those (in Europe and elsewhere) which seek to hide the direct involvement of some Police Chiefs, MPs, Legal Eagles, UN staff, the Military, UN envoys, Bankers and other assorted conspirators. (Sorry to sound like vlad, but I think there is a case (or many) to be answered here.)
A couple of years ago, the school I (at that time) worked for invited one of the last surviving inmates of S-21 to come and give a talk of his personal account of what had happened. (I did post up a summary of what he had said, but it was swiftly scrubbed by the former owner of this site when he banned me.) I do remember, however, that the talk made clear that it (the forced evacuation) was targeted at anyone still residing in the capital - regardless of race, education, filial status, age, gender, origin, religious affiliation or whatever.
The problem of accepting immigrants is, therefore, one that involves all of us in trying to make people's lives better - by which I mean with equal opportunities for all, regardless of whatever criteria folk may like to impose.
The only cover-ups likely are those which clearly show widespread abuse of Human Rights - such as those (in Europe and elsewhere) which seek to hide the direct involvement of some Police Chiefs, MPs, Legal Eagles, UN staff, the Military, UN envoys, Bankers and other assorted conspirators. (Sorry to sound like vlad, but I think there is a case (or many) to be answered here.)
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Canada doesn't allow single males to seek asylum there. A policy I fully support since young men are responsible for more crime and violence than other demographics.*logos wrote:Canada has got things right, taking in Christian refugees. Do they also have male/female ratios?
Now that Europeans have first hand experience of how MENA men behave I expect criticism of Australian and other hard nosed asylum policies to soften.
*Oh noes I'm discriminating against my own demographic how .....ist of me.
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Springrain, I don't get your post at all. What is this contender for "most oppressive nation state in history" that many on hear have supposedly supported?
And how is S21 or the forced evacuation of Phnom Penh relevant to the topic? I know quite a few people who were evacuated and are still around, and it's obvious from what they have told me that they were not all targeted equally. Some got "old people" status, others didn't. One of the biggest fallacies about the Pol Pot regime is this idea that the whole population suffered under the exact same draconian policies and laws. In reality things varied a lot .
And how is S21 or the forced evacuation of Phnom Penh relevant to the topic? I know quite a few people who were evacuated and are still around, and it's obvious from what they have told me that they were not all targeted equally. Some got "old people" status, others didn't. One of the biggest fallacies about the Pol Pot regime is this idea that the whole population suffered under the exact same draconian policies and laws. In reality things varied a lot .
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LL, I can only go on what the survivor told us in a talk he gave. From what he said, all occupants of the city were kicked out in a forced march. He mentioned that his children were lost and that some who were victimised & lost were of peasant stock, while others were of what we might refer to as 'middle class'. There was no quarter given according to religion, politics or social status.
As for the 'most oppressive' nation state, I refer to Israel.
I would think that the forced evacuation of Phnom Penh is relevant to the topic. The topic deals with alleged cover ups of state crimes in order to divert blame to the influx of migrants - I am suggesting that the 'crimes' lie deep within the psyche of the oppressive regime that creates the problem in the first place - in the case of Cambodia, the manipulation of fear & mistrust by much greater political and military powers that sought to create confusion through widespread terrorism and slaughter. Similar tactics to those used by Israel. (But I'm not really supposed to say that.)
As for the 'most oppressive' nation state, I refer to Israel.
I would think that the forced evacuation of Phnom Penh is relevant to the topic. The topic deals with alleged cover ups of state crimes in order to divert blame to the influx of migrants - I am suggesting that the 'crimes' lie deep within the psyche of the oppressive regime that creates the problem in the first place - in the case of Cambodia, the manipulation of fear & mistrust by much greater political and military powers that sought to create confusion through widespread terrorism and slaughter. Similar tactics to those used by Israel. (But I'm not really supposed to say that.)
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Springrain, knock it off. This isn't going to morph into a tedious Israel discussion again. They have nothing to do with the topic discussed.
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Oh dear, you've stopped taking your meds again. Or did you get vlad/Rain Dog to co-write your post?springrain wrote:LL, I can only go on what the survivor told us in a talk he gave. From what he said, all occupants of the city were kicked out in a forced march. He mentioned that his children were lost and that some who were victimised & lost were of peasant stock, while others were of what we might refer to as 'middle class'. There was no quarter given according to religion, politics or social status.
As for the 'most oppressive' nation state, I refer to Israel.
I would think that the forced evacuation of Phnom Penh is relevant to the topic. The topic deals with alleged cover ups of state crimes in order to divert blame to the influx of migrants - I am suggesting that the 'crimes' lie deep within the psyche of the oppressive regime that creates the problem in the first place - in the case of Cambodia, the manipulation of fear & mistrust by much greater political and military powers that sought to create confusion through widespread terrorism and slaughter. Similar tactics to those used by Israel. (But I'm not really supposed to say that.)
1. Yes, of course everyone was kicked out of Phnom Penh. But Lucan has addressed your point, treatment varied widely depending on time, place and your background. That's like KR101. Aren't you at least partially Cambodian?
2. Israel is the most oppressive nation state? You place them above North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Mauritania, Myanmar, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan... It's ridiculous shit like this that drives me into multi-page rants. Why on earth are you singling out Israel? And PLEASE don't respond with a litany of the awful things the Israelis do - explain clearly to me why they are worse than any one of the regimes I noted. And please do it on the old thread, I'd prefer to give the Anti-Semites just one place to spout their hatred rather than blast it all over the forum.
3. There is no parallel with the KR and what they did to Phnom Penh versus the immigration/refugee issue. If you wanted to make a parallel then you'd do it with the KR and the refugee camps that they spawned through mismanagement of the country. In fact, that's quite an interesting parallel, as they fled to the neighbouring countries where there are different cultures/languages/ethnicities and were promptly pushed back over a cliff into a minefield (in some cases) and interned indefinitely in camps because the neighbouring countries refused to accept them as immigrants. The faraway countries on the other hand did. How did integration work in that case? What lessons are there for this situation? So many interesting questions to answer. For the intellectually curious.
But you'd rather shit on the Israelis for bizarre reasons known only to yourself. Frankly, I'm disappointed in you, Springrain, I thought you were a bit nutty but a better person than that.
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I believe Turkey has received the largest influx of migrants. Saudi Arabia has avoided taking any despite being very much involved in Syria and being closer both geographically and culturally.JC wrote:Should Europe have to bear the brunt of the inevitable flood of refugees that happen when you set fire to various countries in the Middle East for the sake of geopolitics?
There's no right to emigrate and those fleeing warzones are expected to stop in the first safe country they reach so Euro countries would be well within their rights to send asylum seekers back to Turkey and to deport the economic migrants back home.JC wrote:When you contribute to those conditions or end up in the unfortunate position of being located where they go, you have the responsibility to take care of those people. This is a universally accepted human right.
As to housing them in camps, Australia has proven that to be a viable option in the 21st century.
Support for uncontrolled mass migration has cooled considerably amongst the business elite in Germany. It turns out people from a 3rd world war zone lack the education level required to work in 1st world factories and offices.JC wrote:With Europe's declining and aging population, large immigration numbers were inevitable.
I also don't see how we can support large amounts of external (from the EU) immigration when much of Europe is suffering from high rates of unemployment and austerity. Why can't German companies use migrants from Greece and Spain? Why can't they relocate factories to Italy or Portugal?
Well it's probably easier to integrate Christians who are/ were being governed by a political class that has European roots than it is to integrate MENA Muslims.JC wrote:But you have to do a huge amount of work to integrate refugees/immigrants, and, frankly, I think Europe does a shitty job at it compared to North America.
I think the USA has done a shitty job of integrating African Americans, btw.
If you want to compare some other demographic please point out what % of the population the demographic makes up.
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So much for the warm welcome.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35425735Sweden to expel up to 80,000 failed asylum-seekers
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A person who is unacquainted with the Muslim ( devil ) might wonder why they are so particularly hostile towards Europeans (Christians) . They have no reason to act this way, since we show them every kindness. They live among us, enjoy our shield and protection, they use our country and our highways, our markets and streets.
Meanwhile our princes and rulers sit there and snore with mouths hanging open and permit the migrants (Jews) to take, steal, and rob from their open money bags and treasures whatever they want.
That is, they let the migrants (Jews), by means of their usury, skin and fleece them and their subjects and make them beggars with their own money. For the migrants (Jews), who are exiles, should really have nothing, and whatever they have must surely be our property.
They do not work, and they do not earn anything from the common man (us), nor do we give or present it to them, and yet they are in possession of our money and goods and are our masters in our own country and in their exile.
A thief is condemned to hang for the theft of ten florins, and if he robs anyone on the highway, he forfeits his head. But when a migrant (Jew) steals and robs ten tons of gold through his usury,he is more highly esteemed than God himself, for who knows what horrors he has been through.( National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson et al 2015).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orker.html
Adapted from Martin Luther : On the Jews and Their Lies (1543)
Meanwhile our princes and rulers sit there and snore with mouths hanging open and permit the migrants (Jews) to take, steal, and rob from their open money bags and treasures whatever they want.
That is, they let the migrants (Jews), by means of their usury, skin and fleece them and their subjects and make them beggars with their own money. For the migrants (Jews), who are exiles, should really have nothing, and whatever they have must surely be our property.
They do not work, and they do not earn anything from the common man (us), nor do we give or present it to them, and yet they are in possession of our money and goods and are our masters in our own country and in their exile.
A thief is condemned to hang for the theft of ten florins, and if he robs anyone on the highway, he forfeits his head. But when a migrant (Jew) steals and robs ten tons of gold through his usury,he is more highly esteemed than God himself, for who knows what horrors he has been through.( National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson et al 2015).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orker.html
Adapted from Martin Luther : On the Jews and Their Lies (1543)
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