Brexit Referendum June 23rd
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Interesting article here suggesting that the tide of the populist insurgent movements across Europe has failed. First it was the demise of Le Pen, Hoffer, Wilders and UKIP, and now the 5 Star Movement in Italy has failed badly and voters are returning to the traditional centre right and centre right parties. The same is happening in Norway, Finland and Latvia.
So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
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That's a surprise,This Charming Man wrote:So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
it's in "The Guardian".
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I ain't gonna believe it unless it's in the Mail.BillyB wrote: That's a surprise,
it's in "The Guardian".
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BillyB wrote:That's a surprise,This Charming Man wrote:So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
it's in "The Guardian".
Stupid comment. You can't argue with the facts that since the Brexit referendum and Trump's win, there has been a huge backlash against this populist bollocks across Europe. The election results in 4-5 seperate countries speak for themselves, as does the total elimination of UKIP in the UK.
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Has there? France was pretty populist (and centrist), UK was a switch toward the masses. The elimination of UKIP was the fact that they completely achieved their mandate (leave the EU), why vote for them now.This Charming Man wrote:BillyB wrote:That's a surprise,This Charming Man wrote:So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
it's in "The Guardian".
Stupid comment. You can't argue with the facts that since the Brexit referendum and Trump's win, there has been a huge backlash against this populist bollocks across Europe. The election results in 4-5 seperate countries speak for themselves, as does the total elimination of UKIP in the UK.
As far as I can see not much has changed, just people realising that it probably wasn't the best plan in the first place and choosing a centre/left model
Apart from the US, the fucking nutters!!!
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I suppose it depends what you mean by populist. For me it meant the kneejerk rejection of centrist policies in favour of (in most cases, but not all) nationalist parties - National Front, UKIP, the Dutch bigot, 5 Star Movement etc. That now seems to have been reversed. Macron might be termed populist, but he really isn't. He's popular because he's sensible and rejects the extremes of both left and right.
It's a reawakening of common sense in politics.
But the key outcome of Brexit is just how tight and more powerful the EU is now, exactly the opposite of what was forecast. All the elections across Europe since Brexit have been overwhelmingly pro European.
It's a reawakening of common sense in politics.
But the key outcome of Brexit is just how tight and more powerful the EU is now, exactly the opposite of what was forecast. All the elections across Europe since Brexit have been overwhelmingly pro European.
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Nonsense.This Charming Man wrote:I suppose it depends what you mean by populist. For me it meant the kneejerk rejection of centrist policies in favour of (in most cases, but not all) nationalist parties - National Front, UKIP, the Dutch bigot, 5 Star Movement etc. That now seems to have been reversed. Macron might be termed populist, but he really isn't. He's popular because he's sensible and rejects the extremes of both left and right.
It's a reawakening of common sense in politics.
But the key outcome of Brexit is just how tight and more powerful the EU is now, exactly the opposite of what was forecast. All the elections across Europe since Brexit have been overwhelmingly pro European.
Brexit has highlighted the failings of the EU, the EU leaders are now trying to ridicule and destroy the UK whilst keeping their heads down about their wider failings.
Our former "friends" have been shown to be not really friends when our generous cashflow stops.
UKIP is job done, I hope, but Nigel carries on.
Support for Brexit is greater than ever in the UK, most former remainers now accept it and just want to get on with leaving, the anti Brexit parties have been cast into the wilderness.
Lib Dems are a lost cause,
Nick Clegg lost his seat in Sheffield, a disastrous result for his pro-EU extremism.
Tim Farron had to resign because his Christian views conflicted with the partys Liberal views.
Nobody in the UK is overly concerned about French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian politics.
Whilst the British may have sympathy for their plight, they need to sort their own mess out.
The German led EU is sure as hell not going to help them.
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Although nowhere near the level of ridiculousness of the doomsday forecasting all the remains were making on the leave vote win.This Charming Man wrote: So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
Has anybody ever actually heard the remains make a case of why leaving the EU would be such a bad thing? They always seem to make vague wet blanket statements like - ''disruptive'', or paint people with the racism angle. Seemed to me Farage was as much into exposing the ridiculous paper pushing beurocracy and corruption as much as anything else.
Capitalism and business's ultimate goal is to achieve some sort of monopoly to give you pricing power. Being in the EU has killed Greece's chance of controlling it's own monetary policy and currency. Greece is effectively been drip fed morphine so as to keep the fantasy going that all is well in EU gaga land. Greece is sort of like a barang owned 50 cent beer bar in Shitsville with the EU being the greedy Khmer landlords.
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For the sake of the Billyb and others Trumpists/Ukips nutjobs you should have followed that analogy to its conclusion; khmer landlords always win against drunk barangs tenants while a chinese willing to invest half the property value in repairs can't wait to move in.spitthedog wrote:Although nowhere near the level of ridiculousness of the doomsday forecasting all the remains were making on the leave vote win.This Charming Man wrote: So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
Has anybody ever actually heard the remains make a case of why leaving the EU would be such a bad thing? They always seem to make vague wet blanket statements like - ''disruptive'', or paint people with the racism angle. Seemed to me Farage was as much into exposing the ridiculous paper pushing beurocracy and corruption as much as anything else.
Capitalism and business's ultimate goal is to achieve some sort of monopoly to give you pricing power. Being in the EU has killed Greece's chance of controlling it's own monetary policy and currency. Greece is effectively been drip fed morphine so as to keep the fantasy going that all is well in EU gaga land. Greece is sort of like a barang owned 50 cent beer bar in Shitsville with the EU being the greedy Khmer landlords.
Can't see any Chinese tenant being willing to pay such a disproportionately large annual contribution towards maintaining a failing property and subsidising most of the other tenants, whilst getting sfa back.Barang_doa_slae wrote:spitthedog wrote:For the sake of the Billyb and others Trumpists/Ukips nutjobs you should have followed that analogy to its conclusion; khmer landlords always win against drunk barangs tenants while a chinese willing to invest half the property value in repairs can't wait to move in.
Sorry but that is not factually true. Being part of the Eurozone is what killed Greece's chance of controlling its own monetary policy. That is not the same as being in the EU. The UK was in the EU and controlled its own monetary supply and currency.spitthedog wrote:
Capitalism and business's ultimate goal is to achieve some sort of monopoly to give you pricing power. Being in the EU has killed Greece's chance of controlling it's own monetary policy and currency. Greece is effectively been drip fed morphine so as to keep the fantasy going that all is well in EU gaga land. Greece is sort of like a barang owned 50 cent beer bar in Shitsville with the EU being the greedy Khmer landlords.
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So when front national increase their share of the vote and reach the second round of the presidential election for the first time ever that's considered a loss? I can only imagine the war reporting that The Guardian produces.This Charming Man wrote:Interesting article here suggesting that the tide of the populist insurgent movements across Europe has failed. First it was the demise of Le Pen, Hoffer, Wilders and UKIP, and now the 5 Star Movement in Italy has failed badly and voters are returning to the traditional centre right and centre right parties. The same is happening in Norway, Finland and Latvia.
So much for Brexit being the start of the end of the EU as was forecast by some on here. On the contrary, it seems more integrated and powerful now than ever before. The UK, early adopters of the populist sentiment, look increasingly isolated and forlorn as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu
The Brexit referendum was a Tory election promise made to reduce the loss of votes and MPs threatened by UKIP. How is Brexit a loss for UKIP? The party is literally named "We want to leave the EU."
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ali baba wrote: So when front national increase their share of the vote and reach the second round of the presidential election for the first time ever that's considered a loss? I can only imagine the war reporting that The Guardian produces.
Get your facts right. They were in the run-off in 2002.
In the first round of voting for the Presidential election they received less than a quarter of votes cast. In the run off - where you would expect it to rise, they received 39%.
In the recent parliamentary election, they received a paltry 13%.
By any account, their support has slumped in a few months, exactly as support for other populist right wing parties has slumped. I would venture a guess that were the US to have their election again, the same would happen there too.
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