Hillsborough victims were killed unlawfully, jury rules
-
- Wun Gwo Pee
- Reactions: 0
- Posts: 2484
- Joined: Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:07 am
Hillsborough victims were killed unlawfully, jury rules
96 Liverpool fans who were killed during a crush at an FA Cup semi final match at Hillsborough stadium in Sheffield in 1989 were killed unlawfully, a jury ruled today. Prosecutions could follow and the ruling puts an end to the lie that the fans themselves were to blame.
When the event happened the most popular British tabloid The Sun blamed the fans. They haven't sold a single copy of their rag in the city since.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04 ... -96-victi/
When the event happened the most popular British tabloid The Sun blamed the fans. They haven't sold a single copy of their rag in the city since.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04 ... -96-victi/
-
- Making Khmer girls cry since 2003
- Reactions: 130
- Posts: 21358
- Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:15 pm
Was someone arguing that they were killed "lawfully"? that's odd. Can't you just say "accident" in the UK?
Weren't some fans partially to blame for jumping the turnstiles and pushing their way in without tickets?
I mean, I totally understand if people want to argue that a small number of ticketless fans entered, and that their actions were foreseeable and the authorities should have prepared for this and made better decisions. But I can't accept the suggestion that no fan deserved any blame, or that the fans collectively share 0% of the blame and the authorities who opened the wrong gates and didn't stop fans from trampling other fans deserve 100% of the blame.
If I said this publicly in a Liverpool pub on a Friday night, would I get a severe beating?
Weren't some fans partially to blame for jumping the turnstiles and pushing their way in without tickets?
I mean, I totally understand if people want to argue that a small number of ticketless fans entered, and that their actions were foreseeable and the authorities should have prepared for this and made better decisions. But I can't accept the suggestion that no fan deserved any blame, or that the fans collectively share 0% of the blame and the authorities who opened the wrong gates and didn't stop fans from trampling other fans deserve 100% of the blame.
If I said this publicly in a Liverpool pub on a Friday night, would I get a severe beating?
Follow my lame Twitter feed: @gavin_mac
-
- K440 Old Cunts Club
- Reactions: 3
- Posts: 3358
- Joined: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:05 pm
What"s the difference between a cow and the Hillsborough tragedy?
You can't milk a cow for nearly 30 years.
You can't milk a cow for nearly 30 years.
My posts are just jokes, maybe they're rude, offensive, and politically incorrect. They're not my opinion, viewpoint, idea, or judgement, but they're just fucking jokes so lighten up.
- springrain
- I'm on 3000; na na, na na na
- Reactions: 48
- Posts: 3023
- Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:25 pm
As I recall (and my memory of this tragic event is rather distant, though I, as a Forest fan, was really looking forward to the match) The Sun was boycotted in the city of Liverpool for claiming that 'Pool fans were rifling the pockets of the dead. I do not recall The Sun actually blaming the fans for the incident. Perhaps alan or somebody could correct me on this.
Either way, many were trying to get in to see the game, so authorities should have been more aware that there would likely be problems - the shutting of some gates - I refer to the infamous 'locked steel pens', was, imho, one of the main contributors to this tragedy.
My most bitter memory of police incompetence at a football match was when a cop shoved me pretty hard, aided by a boot up the jacksy, down a terrace at the City Ground (Forest's ground), yelling at me not to effing sneak my way into the terracing behind the goal. Actually, I had paid to enter that part of the ground, so my experience of dumb policing suggests that over-zealous cops were probably right to shoulder most of the blame at Hillsborough.
Either way, many were trying to get in to see the game, so authorities should have been more aware that there would likely be problems - the shutting of some gates - I refer to the infamous 'locked steel pens', was, imho, one of the main contributors to this tragedy.
My most bitter memory of police incompetence at a football match was when a cop shoved me pretty hard, aided by a boot up the jacksy, down a terrace at the City Ground (Forest's ground), yelling at me not to effing sneak my way into the terracing behind the goal. Actually, I had paid to enter that part of the ground, so my experience of dumb policing suggests that over-zealous cops were probably right to shoulder most of the blame at Hillsborough.
Last edited by springrain on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
'History is a set of lies agreed upon.'
Attributed to Napoleon
Attributed to Napoleon
- Falcon Randwick
- Damn, I just saw my Internet Bill !
- Reactions: 3
- Posts: 4381
- Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:55 pm
It was fucking awful from start to finish. I was in the Land of the Pom at the time and the TV footage I saw scarred me...
Like Potato Stars on facebook. We're likable...
https://www.facebook.com/potstars1
...and make your ears hate you by listening to us here
https://soundcloud.com/falcon-randwick
https://www.facebook.com/potstars1
...and make your ears hate you by listening to us here
https://soundcloud.com/falcon-randwick
It was a shocking conspiracy between the police and everyone else responsible. It takes a long time to see justice done.
- Lucky Lucan
- K440 Knight Captain
- Reactions: 761
- Posts: 22525
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:24 pm
- Location: The Pearl of the Orient
You're in London right now? Whatever you do don't say that in a local's pub.gavinmac wrote:
If I said this publicly in a Liverpool pub on a Friday night, would I get a severe beating?
Last edited by Lucky Lucan on Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Thun thurs them taking part in the Hillsborough triaphlon at Rio 2016 ar kid...Garry Crabtree wrote:What"s the difference between a cow and the Hillsborough tragedy?
You can't milk a cow for nearly 30 years.
Football, squash and fencing.
Massive stalker
- horace
- I can not turn my computer off ...
- Reactions: 307
- Posts: 5484
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:27 pm
- Location: different planet
No scouse support in London except perhaps around Kensal Green n Willesden. You 're safe, utter away my man for I am the Pearly king of Hoxton n Shoreditch . Tell em you know H from Cambodia , no worries.Lucky Lucan wrote:You're in London right now? Whatever you do don't say that in a local pub.gavinmac wrote:
If I said this publicly in a Liverpool pub on a Friday night, would I get a severe beating?
k440, something to do when you're pissed.
-
- Making Khmer girls cry since 2003
- Reactions: 130
- Posts: 21358
- Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:15 pm
Why is a jury answering questions on this thirty years later? Is the plan to throw a bunch of now 80 year old ex-stadium security executives in prison for being bad at their jobs and then trying to blame supporters for their incompetence?
Last edited by gavinmac on Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
Follow my lame Twitter feed: @gavin_mac
- Lucky Lucan
- K440 Knight Captain
- Reactions: 761
- Posts: 22525
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:24 pm
- Location: The Pearl of the Orient
It's common in the UK for these ridiculous inquiries to spring up years after the fact. I haven't been following this one, but the pattern is generally that some biased committee is set up soon after the disaster or incident. They come to conclusions which absolve them of any guilt. A few years later some concerned citizens try to get the ball rolling again, but invariably end up with an inconclusive result. Then, a few decades afterwards, it will be picked up on again and huge amounts of resources will be spent trying to figure out what happened. Of course most of the protagonists and victims will be dead or have fading memories by then. They'll have another Hillsborough Inquiry in 2089 on the anniversary.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
-
- Wun Gwo Pee
- Reactions: 0
- Posts: 2484
- Joined: Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:07 am
That's pretty accurate. This is from the BBC:Lucky Lucan wrote:It's common in the UK for these ridiculous inquiries to spring up years after the fact. I haven't been following this one, but the pattern is generally that some biased committee is set up soon after the disaster or incident. They come to conclusions which absolve them of any guilt. A few years later some concerned citizens try to get the ball rolling again, but invariably end up with an inconclusive result. Then, a few decades afterwards, it will be picked up on again and huge amounts of resources will be spent trying to figure out what happened. Of course most of the protagonists and victims will be dead or have fading memories by then. They'll have another Hillsborough Inquiry in 2089 on the anniversary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-35383110
"At the original inquests, the then South Yorkshire coroner Dr Stefan Popper decided the hearing should only investigate events before a cut-off time of 3.15pm. He argued that it was unnecessary to look at events beyond this time.
On the evidence of pathologists, he said all those who died would have suffered irreversible brain damage by that time and were beyond saving.
That meant the hearing would not look into the emergency response to the disaster. This was a highly controversial decision strongly disputed by the families of the deceased.
In 2009, the government set up the Hillsborough Independent Panel to review documents relating to the disaster. In September 2012, the panel produced a report based on 450,000 pages of documents previously stored by the government, other public bodies, private companies and individuals. A month later, the attorney general applied for the original inquests to be quashed. In December 2012, following a campaign by the bereaved families, the High Court ordered a fresh hearing."
-
- Wun Gwo Pee
- Reactions: 0
- Posts: 2484
- Joined: Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:07 am
You're right springrain. Here is the Sun report which led to it being boycotted in the city still. The journalist later said he was horrified at how his story had been edited by management.springrain wrote:As I recall (and my memory of this tragic event is rather distant, though I, as a Forest fan, was really looking forward to the match) The Sun was boycotted in the city of Liverpool for claiming that 'Pool fans were rifling the pockets of the dead. I do not recall The Sun actually blaming the fans for the incident. Perhaps alan or somebody could correct me on this.
.
- vladimir
- Feminist Watch List
- Reactions: 4
- Posts: 34235
- Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:43 am
- Location: mod edit
Only if you tried to chat up the cashier.gavinmac wrote:If I said this publicly in a Liverpool pub on a Friday night, would I get a severe beating?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 9 Replies
- 2481 Views
-
Last post by Alexandra
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:31 pm
-
-
8 Pinoy job scam victims in Cambodia rescued
by Bong Burgundy » Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:50 pm » in Cambodia News - 0 Replies
- 681 Views
-
Last post by Bong Burgundy
Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:50 pm
-
-
-
Cyberscam victims in Cambodia find no freedom in rescue
by Bong Burgundy » Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:43 am » in Cambodia News - 0 Replies
- 633 Views
-
Last post by Bong Burgundy
Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:43 am
-
-
-
Sneaky Viet cons families of Cambodia cyberscam victims
by Bong Burgundy » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:33 am » in Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar and Lao forums - 1 Replies
- 212 Views
-
Last post by Prahok
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:06 am
-
-
- 1 Replies
- 1167 Views
-
Last post by Phuket2006
Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:40 pm